[kj] Lecture last night

bongo humanhybrid666 at gmail.com
Wed Jun 24 05:22:22 EDT 2015 

how many nuclear bombs have been detonated in the USA?
fuck knows, couple of thousand*.  why do we do that to ourselves?
bottom line, we're dumb.



(*if not, damn near)









"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
wrote:

> But they breath the same air. Why would they do that to themselves?
>
> On 6/23/15, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > i wont say i believe in them, but i would not put it passed The Powers
> That
> > Be to fuck around with geo-engineering...
> > in fact, i would not put it passed them to simply fuck around with things
> > they have little understanding of. so, to say it is all a load of bollox
> i
> > think is overly simplistic. these cunts have huge budgets and no morals.
> > and like doing stuff... ... ...
> > i would be VERY surprised if they haven't at least attempted spraying
> shit
> > in the atmosphere.
> >
> >
> >
> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> > postponed indefinitely..."
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:29 PM, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
> > gathering at misera.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Yep, the Extremities gigs were exceptional... in part because the first
> >> gulf war was just starting, and Killing Joke sounded relevant.
> >>
> >>  Maybe if you believe in chem-trails they still do.  Anyone?
> >>
> >>  Jamie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: adrianwason <adrianwason at btinternet.com>
> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke \\(the band!\\) <
> >> gathering at misera.net>
> >> Sent: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 5:46
> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> >>
> >>   during the EDAVRE tour, those gigs were as tense as fuck and the
> lyrics
> >> meaningful,
> >> that's why those gigs will always be special, there have been some one
> >> off
> >> brilliant gigs since such as Subterreania 94 Underworld 2003,Astoria
> >> 2005,but they still didn't t have the vibe of the early gigs on that
> tour
> >>
> >> ----Original message----
> >> From : npscott at blueyonder.co.uk
> >> Date : 22/06/2015 - 14:32 (GMTDT)
> >> To : gathering at misera.net
> >> Subject : Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> >>
> >>  The only time I have seen and took Jaz seriously was during the EDAVRE
> >> tour, those gigs were as tense as fuck and the lyrics meaningful, and
> you
> >> could see Jaz and the rest of the band truly meant it onstage.
> >>
> >>  First outing tour of Pandemonium pre-album release in the UK when I saw
> >> Jaz in his Jesters garb I laughed out loud, since then his stage antics
> >> have been nothing but repetitive B movie style antics and he amuses me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  On 22 June 2015 at 14:05, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  I like Jaz a great deal. I like his intelligence and his passion and I
> >>> think he is the sort of charismatic individual that could quite easily
> >>> start a cult. He does already have a cult following really. And that's
> >>> why
> >>> I am always wary of him and have never been a "follower".
> >>>
> >>>  I'm wary of all people like him whether they are musicians,
> >>> politicians, business leaders, religious sorts. Entertaining. At a
> >>> distance!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 22 Jun 2015, at 13:23, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
> >>> gathering at misera.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   I took him very seriously when I was 17 or so - quite a while ago,
> >>> admittedly ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rob Moss < rob.moss at gmx.com>
> >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
> >>> gathering at misera.net>
> >>> CC: jpwhkj < jpwhkj at aol.com>
> >>> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:14
> >>> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> >>>
> >>>   As do most people as they get older!
> >>>
> >>>  I've never taken Jaz too serioulsly and not about to start now!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 22 Jun 2015, at 12:16, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
> >>> gathering at misera.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   " among a whole pack of very dumb conspiracies"
> >>>
> >>>   You've just summed up the last 15 years of KJ lyrics.
> >>>
> >>>   <sigh>
> >>>
> >>>   Once upon a time, KJ lyrics were brief, mysterious, and, er,
> >>> interesting.  They've gradually morphed into verbose billboard-sized
> >>> tediousness.
> >>>
> >>>   Jamie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Neil Perry < 65snoopy at gmail.com>
> >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
> >>> gathering at misera.net>
> >>> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:27
> >>> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> >>>
> >>>          Thanks for that.
> >>>  I think you'll agree (best read in a Marge Simpson-talking-to-Homer
> >>> voice) that we've put up with
> >>>  a lot during our 30+ year relationship with this band. For a large
> part
> >>> of it, Jaz's beliefs have shaped
> >>>  the band and their output, and this never detracted from my enjoyment
> >>> because I was never
> >>>  being asked to accept those beliefs as fact. Jaz has spent a lifetime
> >>> researching and practising
> >>>  various esoteric and mystical interests that, generally, added to the
> >>> vibe of the music, and I
> >>>  was happy to accept it all as part of overall KJ experience.
> >>>
> >>>  However, his recent lurch into full-on conspiracy theory mode I
> find...
> >>> what's a polite word...
> >>>  irritating, and to hear he's gone down the chemtrail route is
> >>> particularly irksome.
> >>>  The chemtrail theory is one of the dumbest among a whole pack of very
> >>> dumb conspiracies...
> >>>  it is so rediculous that I can only rationalise it by thinking that
> >>> this
> >>> is some sort of multi-layered
> >>>  joke from Jaz, because I cannot accept that he actually thinks this
> has
> >>> any basis in reality.
> >>>  'Chemtrails' are condensation trails - that is why the real name is
> >>> 'contrails' - and are formed when
> >>>  plane engines spew out water vapour, which crystallize into ice in the
> >>> cold air. This is what those
> >>>  trails are - clouds of ice. That is why they hang there, and slowly
> >>> dissipate (and note, contrary to
> >>>  the conspiracy claims, they do just hang there, achieving nothing - if
> >>> something was being sprayed, wouldn't the
> >>>  sprayers want the substance to reach the ground?)
> >>>  Just think about it: The entire commercial airline industry - because
> >>> every single jet plane in existence produces these trails - is working
> >>>  for their respective governments/the NWO, to spray something on the
> >>> planet. And not one person, among the millions who
> >>>  work in the airline industry, including hundreds of thousands of
> >>> trained
> >>> pilots, who presumably have to
> >>> do the spraying, has ever blown the whistle, or even asked, Excuse me,
> >>> what's this stuff coming out of my plane?
> >>>
> >>>  OK, sorry, rant over. This is not mystical or esoteric, it is idiocy
> of
> >>> the highest order and it just drives me fecking mad.
> >>>
> >>>  On 18 June 2015 at 13:50, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>   So, last night then.
> >>>>
> >>>>  First off, two items of news. Jaz and Geordie want to take 100
> >>>> Gatherers to India at some point (October next year, I think) to
> >>>> complete a
> >>>> several-day pilgrimage around a holy mountain visiting various
> temples.
> >>>> I
> >>>> forget the name of the pilgrimage, but it is a well-established Hindu
> >>>> pilgrimage that takes place around a full moon.
> >>>>
> >>>>  “If you’re on the dole and can’t afford it, we’ll just find a way for
> >>>> you to go”.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Jaz said that him and Geordie wanted to act as “mentors” to the 100
> to
> >>>> help them identify their inner genius. The idea is, IIRC, to then meet
> >>>> at
> >>>> the next full moon in the UK, and then again a year later to see how
> >>>> much
> >>>> life has changed.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Second item of news, is that Jaz plans to do more lectures around the
> >>>> country between tour dates.
> >>>>
> >>>>  The whole activity appears aimed at, as I say, helping those who want
> >>>> to, to identify their inner genius.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Last night was a game of two halves. The first half was about the New
> >>>> World Order and the various conspiracy-theory spokes that come out of
> >>>> that
> >>>> topic. So we heard that the 100-year-old Rockefeller is at the centre
> >>>> of
> >>>> the NWO and wants to finish his project before he dies. And we heard
> >>>> about
> >>>> FEMA camps, about vapour trails dropping nano worms, control of
> >>>> population
> >>>> through food supply, and fluoride in the water….
> >>>>
> >>>>  Frankly it was a bit of a ramble so a bit hard for me to put
> something
> >>>> down coherently about it. Perhaps others could do a better job.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Although it was moderately engaging in places, when the break came
> and
> >>>> I turned around to see that my two pals (who aren’t fans) had left
> >>>> early; I
> >>>> wasn’t surprised. You had to be very sympathetic to Jaz to sit through
> >>>> non-sourced and surely in some cases wildly exaggerated claims.
> >>>>
> >>>>  For example, he spoke of a US senator who did or found something out
> >>>> (can’t remember what it was but it was alarming), but he didn’t name
> >>>> the
> >>>> senator so how can that be verified? Why wouldn’t you name the
> senator?
> >>>> It
> >>>> just wreaks of pseudo-academic research.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Another example, this time of exaggeration: he mentioned that a
> member
> >>>> of KJ was close to Rockefeller and, by implication, has some great
> >>>> looking-hole into the whole conspiracy shebang.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Obviously he’s referring to BPF here… but c’mon, are we seriously
> >>>> expected to believe that BPF and Rockefeller are tight? Are we
> supposed
> >>>> to
> >>>> believe that Rockefeller, who knows presidents, prime ministers,
> >>>> celebrities and the other four people that run the universe, suddenly,
> >>>> in
> >>>> the very final years of his life, as he’s getting towards 100 and
> going
> >>>> to
> >>>> die, thinks to himself, ‘I know, I’m going to become really close to
> >>>> that
> >>>> guy there, the one who plays drums in a band. He once dusted down the
> >>>> toes
> >>>> of an ancient Buddha sculpture for my Foundation, where he works
> >>>> part-time
> >>>> along with 14,000 other people who I also don’t know. I’m going to let
> >>>> this
> >>>> guy into my inner sanctum and I’m going to tell him everything.’
> >>>>
> >>>>  Course he didn’t do that. Course he f-ing didn’t.
> >>>>
> >>>>  The second half I suppose dwelt a bit more on the spiritual, though
> >>>> again it’s a bit hard to sum it up as the road he steered through this
> >>>> topic had many turns, junctions, and needed resurfacing in places.
> >>>>
> >>>>  He ended though with a very nice reading and seemed moved as he left
> >>>> the stage quickly.
> >>>>
> >>>>  Forgive my somewhat negative review. I’m sure there’s lots I‘ve
> >>>> missed. It was as always a great privilege to sit in with Coleman and
> I
> >>>> think it’s great that he does these things.
> >>>>
> >>>>  He was in a friendly, relaxed mood and there were many flashes of
> >>>> humour.
> >>>>
> >>>>  About 5/10 for content.
> >>>>
> >>>>  8/10 for delivery.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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