[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 147, Issue 40
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Tue Jun 23 16:52:38 EDT 2015
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the long and thoughtful response.
I'm pretty much with Moss on this one - yes, lots of scientific developments are pretty mind-boggling (or would have been, x years ago), and yes, a lot have the potential for misuse, especially by the governments that inevitably pay for a lot of the research. But generally I subscribe to cock-up rather than conspiracy...
Cheers,
Jamie
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From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
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Interesting reading.
I don't dispute alot of what you say and I certainly agree with the skepticism you have.
But your post got me thinking..........
When the printing press came along, did the conspirisists say it was there to control us
Did they think Electricty was there to control our brains and stupify us
Has the microwave turned us into Zombies?
Are those REALLY backawrds messages on Black Sabbath records telling us to kill ourselves
It's just that technology comes along, largely for the good of the poulation, but if we look hard enough for it and want to see it, we can see the bad.
Bit like the Blue Feather...............
Chemtrails. I work in the Chemical Insutry. My brothers are pilots.
Been rumbled!!!
Or is it just the displacement of pollution in the atmosphere caused by the ever increasing volume of air traffic. Just an idea. Seriously , I have no clue.
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From: kevin <patrickvieira at msn.com>
To: "gathering at misera.net" <gathering at misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 147, Issue 40
(“OH FUCK, WE`VE GOT A RIGHT ONE HERE…..”)
OK-(Deep Breath) I don’t know if I `believe in Chemtrails.` I have certainly taken an interest in the subject since many years ago I started to wonder why I was observing long trails of cloud that hung in the sky for and slowly spread out over the sky causing it to turn a milky grey and become overcast - this is certainly very, very different from the contrails I remember as a child/ youth that I used to watch as they disappeared after a few seconds. If I am being asked if I believe in a phenomena that can be observed most days over London then I will say yes I do believe in it- If you want to ask if I believe in Nanofibres or Morgellons or the population being sprayed to become docile and passive then I don`t know—I have watched the films `What In the World Are They Spraying/Why In The World…` and to put it mildly they are both pretty underwhelming and totally inconclusive- but it is certainly of interest that there are patents for geoengineering technology that exist that describe to a very similar degree the reported/observed `Persistent Contrail` phenomena.
(http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/what-is-geoengineering/what-is-geoengineering/?)
I do know that people around me are more docile and passive and apparently disorientated that I have ever known – but this could be down to a number of factors such as the pervasive use of smartphones and 24 rolling TV-Orwellian Telescreen society that we are in the middle of.
The existence of The HAARP technology in Alaska and China is well known and often rumoured to be part of a plan to manipulate weather systems but I just don’t have enough of a knowledge of engineering or physics to feel able to comment. I certainy know that they are fucking around.
Do I believe that the Cern Hadron Collider is a stargate that has been built with the purpose of enabling the Anunaki to return to this planet through an interdimensional portal?? No. Only on a Thursday.
Do I believe that we are rushing headlong into a world where we are going to be living in the midst of a Global Wi-Fi SmartGrid where the entire planet will be stewing in a microwaved electronic soup then, yes, I do believe that, because it`s all around me and the plans for it are plainly steamrolling ahead and you can read about it in the papers most days. Am I slightly worried about this and the possible and unknown effects of such a Smartgrid- Yes I am. Actually, to put it mildly, I find it terrifying.
Do I believe that the more advanced nations of the world have a vested interest in weaponising space and have an interest in manipulating the earths atmosphere and weather systems for the purposes of `non-lethal warfare` and to have the possibility to wage weather warfare on other nations- yeah I probably do. Do I read Nexus magazine, and books about Tesla, and books published by `Adventures Unlimited` about skeletons of prehistoric Giants- No I don’t.
Do I believe that we are being softened up to take an implanted microchip that will contain all our biometric information and make it impossible to exist in society without one then, overwhelmingly, yes , I do.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31037989)
Which reminds me I must try and get hold of the latest copy of Metro to see if there are any new high tech `fitness` bands out this week-Cos I just love my funky `tech.`
Do I remember ,23 years ago, sitting in the pub in Hackney staring at a load of incredulous, disbelieving , sniggering faces when I explained to them that we were being geared up to become a `cashless society,` yes I do. I heard there`s this thing called Money these days that people occasionally use. I know you`re not allowed to use it on buses these days.
Do I think that these subjects are interesting and worth debating with my fellow man- Yeah I do. Do I think Jaz talks a load of old bollocks- sometimes yeah- usually when he comes over all grandiose and exaggerates everything to the Nnth degree.
Do I think Killing Joke gigs are as good as they used to be- no I don’t. I also heard that, at nearly 50, I`m not as good in bed as once was. Happens to us all I hear. Unless your name is Oliver Reed…
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> Yep, the Extremities gigs were exceptional... in part because the first gulf war was just starting, and Killing Joke sounded relevant.
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> The only time I have seen and took Jaz seriously was during the EDAVRE tour, those gigs were as tense as fuck and the lyrics meaningful, and you could see Jaz and the rest of the band truly meant it onstage.
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> As do most people as they get older!
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> I've never taken Jaz too serioulsly and not about to start now!
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> You've just summed up the last 15 years of KJ lyrics.
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> Once upon a time, KJ lyrics were brief, mysterious, and, er, interesting. They've gradually morphed into verbose billboard-sized tediousness.
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