[kj] Lecture last night

Mon Jun 22 08:14:58 EDT 2015

The dumber the conspiracy theory, the higher my irritation with those
making the claim... the most
tiring, frustrating part is that the onus is on us - the 'non-believers' -
to prove the theory is false, rather than on
those making the claim to prove it is real.

It all comes down to Russell's Teapot... philosopher Bertrand Russell said
that if he claims there is a
teapot in orbit around the sun somewhere between Earth and Mars, it is
rediculous for him to expect
others to believe him on the grounds that they can't prove him wrong. He
must be the one providing proof
of its existence. He was actually talking about religion and god, but it
fits perfectly well with conspiracy
theorists.

I probably should ignore it all and just enjoy the riffs, but I'm finding
that increasingly difficult.

On 22 June 2015 at 13:08, pssyche23 <antoni at clara.net> wrote:

> oh blimey Neil, I'm glad someone else said this, rather than my usual
> rants - I upset a couple of chem-trail converts on Facebook - their
> so-called evidence on youtube is bollocks - the reason that some
> high-altitude planes trail & others not is down to either their relative
> altitudes (usually those 30,000 to 40,000 feet emit condensation/vapour
> trails) and on other days down to atmospheric conditions, where maybe
> nothing enmits a con-trail but these folks wouldn't have it at all &
> started calling me names like kids in the bloody playground !!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 22 Jun 2015, at 10:27, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for that.
> I think you'll agree (best read in a Marge Simpson-talking-to-Homer voice)
> that we've put up with
> a lot during our 30+ year relationship with this band. For a large part of
> it, Jaz's beliefs have shaped
> the band and their output, and this never detracted from my enjoyment
> because I was never
> being asked to accept those beliefs as fact. Jaz has spent a lifetime
> researching and practising
> various esoteric and mystical interests that, generally, added to the vibe
> of the music, and I
> was happy to accept it all as part of overall KJ experience.
>
> However, his recent lurch into full-on conspiracy theory mode I find...
> what's a polite word...
> irritating, and to hear he's gone down the chemtrail route is particularly
> irksome.
> The chemtrail theory is one of the dumbest among a whole pack of very dumb
> conspiracies...
> it is so rediculous that I can only rationalise it by thinking that this
> is some sort of multi-layered
> joke from Jaz, because I cannot accept that he actually thinks this has
> any basis in reality.
> 'Chemtrails' are condensation trails - that is why the real name is
> 'contrails' - and are formed when
> plane engines spew out water vapour, which crystallize into ice in the
> cold air. This is what those
> trails are - clouds of ice. That is why they hang there, and slowly
> dissipate (and note, contrary to
> the conspiracy claims, they do just hang there, achieving nothing - if
> something was being sprayed, wouldn't the
> sprayers want the substance to reach the ground?)
> Just think about it: The entire commercial airline industry - because
> every single jet plane in existence produces these trails - is working
> for their respective governments/the NWO, to spray something on the
> planet. And not one person, among the millions who
> work in the airline industry, including hundreds of thousands of trained
> pilots, who presumably have to
> do the spraying, has ever blown the whistle, or even asked, Excuse me,
> what's this stuff coming out of my plane?
>
> OK, sorry, rant over. This is not mystical or esoteric, it is idiocy of
> the highest order and it just drives me fecking mad.
>
> On 18 June 2015 at 13:50, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  So, last night then.
>>
>>
>>
>> First off, two items of news. Jaz and Geordie want to take 100 Gatherers
>> to India at some point (October next year, I think) to complete a
>> several-day pilgrimage around a holy mountain visiting various temples. I
>> forget the name of the pilgrimage, but it is a well-established Hindu
>> pilgrimage that takes place around a full moon.
>>
>>
>>
>> “If you’re on the dole and can’t afford it, we’ll just find a way for you
>> to go”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaz said that him and Geordie wanted to act as “mentors” to the 100 to
>> help them identify their inner genius. The idea is, IIRC, to then meet at
>> the next full moon in the UK, and then again a year later to see how much
>> life has changed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Second item of news, is that Jaz plans to do more lectures around the
>> country between tour dates.
>>
>>
>>
>> The whole activity appears aimed at, as I say, helping those who want to,
>> to identify their inner genius.
>>
>>
>>
>> Last night was a game of two halves. The first half was about the New
>> World Order and the various conspiracy-theory spokes that come out of that
>> topic. So we heard that the 100-year-old Rockefeller is at the centre of
>> the NWO and wants to finish his project before he dies. And we heard about
>> FEMA camps, about vapour trails dropping nano worms, control of population
>> through food supply, and fluoride in the water….
>>
>>
>>
>> Frankly it was a bit of a ramble so a bit hard for me to put something
>> down coherently about it. Perhaps others could do a better job.
>>
>>
>>
>> Although it was moderately engaging in places, when the break came and I
>> turned around to see that my two pals (who aren’t fans) had left early; I
>> wasn’t surprised. You had to be very sympathetic to Jaz to sit through
>> non-sourced and surely in some cases wildly exaggerated claims.
>>
>>
>>
>> For example, he spoke of a US senator who did or found something out
>> (can’t remember what it was but it was alarming), but he didn’t name the
>> senator so how can that be verified? Why wouldn’t you name the senator? It
>> just wreaks of pseudo-academic research.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another example, this time of exaggeration: he mentioned that a member of
>> KJ was close to Rockefeller and, by implication, has some great
>> looking-hole into the whole conspiracy shebang.
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously he’s referring to BPF here… but c’mon, are we seriously
>> expected to believe that BPF and Rockefeller are tight? Are we supposed to
>> believe that Rockefeller, who knows presidents, prime ministers,
>> celebrities and the other four people that run the universe, suddenly, in
>> the very final years of his life, as he’s getting towards 100 and going to
>> die, thinks to himself, ‘I know, I’m going to become really close to that
>> guy there, the one who plays drums in a band. He once dusted down the toes
>> of an ancient Buddha sculpture for my Foundation, where he works part-time
>> along with 14,000 other people who I also don’t know. I’m going to let this
>> guy into my inner sanctum and I’m going to tell him everything.’
>>
>>
>>
>> Course he didn’t do that. Course he f-ing didn’t.
>>
>>
>>
>> The second half I suppose dwelt a bit more on the spiritual, though again
>> it’s a bit hard to sum it up as the road he steered through this topic had
>> many turns, junctions, and needed resurfacing in places.
>>
>>
>>
>> He ended though with a very nice reading and seemed moved as he left the
>> stage quickly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Forgive my somewhat negative review. I’m sure there’s lots I‘ve missed.
>> It was as always a great privilege to sit in with Coleman and I think it’s
>> great that he does these things.
>>
>>
>>
>> He was in a friendly, relaxed mood and there were many flashes of humour.
>>
>>
>>
>> About 5/10 for content.
>>
>>
>>
>> 8/10 for delivery.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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