[kj] Lecture Last Night

Thu Jun 18 14:15:31 EDT 2015

Ha!  Very good.  Although actually I think Jaz's ego has mellowed considerably since the eighties.  For instance, KJ's attitude to their audience used to be pretty contemptuous, whereas now we'll all "gatherers"...

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From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
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Jaz Coleman leading a pilgrimage intended to kill the ego is like:

…Morrissey opening a burger chain

….Henry Rollins leading a silence retreat

…John Lydon teaching contemporary music appreciation

….?

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From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Tracey Higgins

Sent: Friday, 19 June 2015 12:06 a.m.

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Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture Last Night

Is this spiritual pilgrimage called Pradakshima? I have read about this and you have to go to something like 49 different temples in a particular order which helps kill the ego. I would really love to do this, but who am I kidding. I'm in Australia and it's obviously UK only. I plan on going for about 6months and really getting into their culture and staying in small villages. Loved hearing about his talk. Cheers Tracey Sent from my iPad

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> off, two items of news. Jaz and Geordie want to take 100 Gatherers to 

> India at some point (October next year, I think) to complete a 

> several-day pilgrimage around a holy mountain visiting various 

> temples. I forget the name of the pilgrimage, but it is a 

> well-established Hindu pilgrimage that takes place around a full moon.

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> him and Geordie wanted to act as ?mentors? to the 100 to help them 

> identify their inner genius. The idea is, IIRC, to then meet at the 

> next full moon in the UK, and then again a year later to see how much life has changed.

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> item of news, is that Jaz plans to do more lectures around the country 

> between tour dates.

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> activity appears aimed at, as I say, helping those who want to, to 

> identify their inner genius.

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> Last

> night was a game of two halves. The first half was about the New World 

> Order and the various conspiracy-theory spokes that come out of that 

> topic. So we heard that the 100-year-old Rockefeller is at the centre 

> of the NWO and wants to finish his project before he dies. And we 

> heard about FEMA camps, about vapour trails dropping nano worms, 

> control of population through food supply, and fluoride in the water?.

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> Frankly

> it was a bit of a ramble so a bit hard for me to put something down 

> coherently about it. Perhaps others could do a better job.

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> it was moderately engaging in places, when the break came and I turned 

> around to see that my two pals (who aren?t fans) had left early; I wasn?t surprised.

> You had to be very sympathetic to Jaz to sit through non-sourced and 

> surely in some cases wildly exaggerated claims.

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> (can?t remember what it was but it was alarming), but he didn?t name 

> the senator so how can that be verified? Why wouldn?t you name the 

> senator? It just wreaks of pseudo-academic research.

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> example, this time of exaggeration: he mentioned that a member of KJ 

> was close to Rockefeller and, by implication, has some great 

> looking-hole into the whole conspiracy shebang.

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> he?s referring to BPF here? but c?mon, are we seriously expected to 

> believe that BPF and Rockefeller are tight? Are we supposed to believe 

> that Rockefeller, who knows presidents, prime ministers, celebrities 

> and the other four people that run the universe, suddenly, in the very 

> final years of his life, as he?s getting towards 100 and going to die, 

> thinks to himself, ?I know, I?m going to become really close to that 

> guy there, the one who plays drums in a band. He once dusted down the 

> toes of an ancient Buddha sculpture for my Foundation, where he works 

> part-time along with 14,000 other people who I also don?t know. I?m 

> going to let this guy into my inner sanctum and I?m going to tell him everything.?

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> second half I suppose dwelt a bit more on the spiritual, though again 

> it?s a bit hard to sum it up as the road he steered through this topic 

> had many turns, junctions, and needed resurfacing in places.

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> He ended

> though with a very nice reading and seemed moved as he left the stage quickly.

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> Forgive

> my somewhat negative review. I?m sure there?s lots I?ve missed. It was 

> as always a great privilege to sit in with Coleman and I think it?s 

> great that he does these things.

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