[kj] I had my doubts..

jon chapman jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk
Thu Jan 30 09:13:46 EST 2014

Jaz Coleman book ???

From: gasw30 at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 12:44:32 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] I had my doubts..

The bottom line for me is that it's great to get a book like this from Jaz. Finally, we hear Jaz in his own, ample words. Up until now it was more a case of having to eek out a new morsel about Jaz's life or the band from someone else's article in a magazine that was cluttered with stuff we are fed up of seeing referenced in passing (Iceland, Nivana, Jaz's bloody laugh...).
I'm on roughly page 120. So far, only a couple of minor punctuation mistakes and the writing flows well. Either the book is well edited or Jaz is very articulate; I suspect the latter as, despite stopping learning at 14, the bloke is obviously brainy and so are his family.
He points out early on that he is not going to define terminology or explain the background to concepts, and instead he will just get on with making his points. This makes for difficult comprehension sometimes unless you're steeped in the mystery tradition to the same degree as he is. However, he provides lots to explore if you're so minded.
For me, it's like you can tell his arguments and analysis are well articulated, even if you can't exactly understand them.
I'm getting the impression that the book is serving as almost a manifesto for Kaph. If you don't know, Kaph appears to be some kind of magical order that JC is involved in and may even be the founder of. That's how it looks to me.
Though he says 'Cythera...' won't be a rock n roll memoir, there are some amusing band anecdotes in there.
What is it they say? "When I picked it up I couldn't put it down". Well, I could put it down, but it's still a good book.

From: Devacor at aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:39:10 -0500
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] I had my doubts..

Im about 3/4ths through (well the pdf )

I don't know if its the same format/order as the book, but it does
jump around a lot.

I think one has to really be a core fan/'gatherer' to have it
have any real relevance.
He does have some cool recounts and gives some details on time
periods, song lyrics etc, that are interesting- , but he spends a good bit
of time meticulously detailing some of his personal accounts on the island that
I just dont see an outsider having much interest in (though I personally enjoy
it, find it interesting, and had a hard timing putting it down at certain

The occult ramblings I find interesting , can follow most
of it, but a lot of it is technical and doesn't provide much practical
application (although I have added a few things from it to a presentation
that I do)-- I dont he was too concerned about that,, but I guess it provides an
interesting peek into that head of his-- which I also dont thnk it quite as tidy
and structured as the book presents, but that would pretty much go for anyone.

as for the 'order of kaph' -- not sure who he got to do his logo designs!
(if book has same ones as the pdf)
but sounds like he could be lookin' for a few good gatherers to join the
ranks at some point..

yes Jaz does mention some of the promiscuity that went in during those
raucous 80's years, but didn't seem to do it in a bragging sort of way- if
that was different, then it could have made me lose a little respect for him.

I do plan to finish , and then get the book to re read- I would personally
invest the time in a double read .
I find it stimulating and most of the books I have to read are
generally people taking (similiar) complex info and making it more
streamlined and friendly- this is somewhat the opposite, so (to me) it makes it
a bit interesting..


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In a message dated 1/29/2014 11:00:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wessidetempest at hotmail.com writes:
Alex what would you rate this. A, B, C, etc. I'm a fan boy but I'm
wearing thin on all of these Pledge drives. But I am a Colsey

From: vassifer at earthlink.net
To: letranger789 at yahoo.com;
gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:32:51 -0500
Subject: Re:
[kj] I had my doubts..

I too have been graced with my long awaited copy. As has been noted, the
pages are crazy thin and the font is wicked small. It is mercifully in a sort
of chronological order, so skimming about (because, say, you DON'T want to
read about a Jaz's ruminations on any number of strenuously esoteric matters)
is possible.

Some observations:

1. Jaz was a bit promiscuous.
2. Raven apparently didn't contribute much to the song-writing
3. There are lots of charts that look like the sort of thing Wyle E.
Coyote would draw up were he more obsessed with Thomas Malthus' eugenics and
the occult instead of catching that rascally roadrunner.

I'll going to endeavor to do the full read, though.

Ale xin
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