[kj] punk

[bongo]

"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."


On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>wrote:


>

> I can't believe this is still going.

>

> Rob Moss re-invoked it as a jest, .... and it's predictably taken off

> again.

>

> Listen, ask one of your justifiably-revered stalwarts of British punk --

> Strummer, Vanian, Simonon, Jones, etc. etc. pick one -- and invariably *BY

> THEIR OWN ADMISSION* they'll say that the Yanks started it. YES, the Brits

> *TOOK IT SOMEWHERE ELSE

>


to Punk, which wasn't around before the Brits done it.

an entree is not a main...

=)






> AND MADE IT THEIR OWN*, ..... but it started in the States.

>

> I'm not making it up.

>

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Sep 7, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:

>

> The Dolls date to 1971 and the Stooges to 1967. This discussion doesn't

> even take into account the US garage band scene of the 1960's: Seeds,

> Standells, Sonics, etc. Check out Lenny Kaye's "Nuggets" series for further

> enlightenment.

>

> It is well documented that the UK punk scene was established after

> exposure to existing American (read: NYC) punks, i.e Ramones first gig at

> the Roundhouse in July '76 and Malcolm McLaren's trip to NYC in '72 where

> he met the NY Dolls and where he copped the ripped t-shirt and safety pin

> look from Richard Hell. McLaren returned to the UK in 1975, opened the

> "SEX" boutique and applied his learnings to the exploitation of the Sex

> Pistols. The majority of early UK punks were either someone who saw the Sex

> Pistols/Buzzcocks in a university lunchroom or pub rockers with

> new haircuts, a la Joe Strummer.

>

> to wit:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvDeee14dEA

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------

> From: folk.devil at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:55:58 -0700

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

> The Saints formed in 1975. That puts them chronologically next to the

> Dolls. They were Australian. What about Bolan, or the UK Garage bands of

> the early 70s...

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8685349@N07/

>

> ------------------------------

> From: paulwady at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:34:44 +0100

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

> From my previous email:

>

> 1 - The very term PUNK was an AMERICANISM in the 1970's.  It was adopted

> by UK people around that time.  Even then lets face it, people still don't

> use it in Blighty for its original meaning today.  They didn't then?  It is

> entirely associated with a style from the late 70/s early 80/s best time of

> all for crude, sincere rock music.

>

> 2 - There was this band called the New York Dolls.  Assume everyone here

> does not know them on account of Morrissey running their UK fanclub, and

> thus everyones kept a distance...what difference does it make??

>

> 3 - James Osterberg.  Like anyone here needs to know what pseudonym he

> resides on the UK's bedroom walls under?  (Not forgetting Scottish

> trainspotters...)

>

> 4 - Eddy and the Hot Rods.  Okay okay, sorry sorry.  But I had to remind

> y'all just how bad things where then.  WE HAD THE ****ING OSMONDS ON THE

> RADIO...ON TOP OF THE POPS...TV SPECIALS...LOOK IN AND THE MAGAZINES AND

> THE PAPERS...  This was surely the closest our generation ever got to

> living through the Blitz?  It was hell in there.  Hell.  You'd walk down

> the road and your contemporaries and those a bit older had FLARES and

> MULLETTS.  Me?  I still have flashbacks.  (Wake up in the middle of the

> night screaming CRAZY HORSES!!!  WAAAH!  WAAH!  So America does have a lot

> to answer for.  Salt Lake City - capitol of trauma etc).

>

>

> I am very sorry to bring up the things we'd all rather forget.  (Donnie.

> Marie.  Jesus....)  But the Sex Pistols did it their way, and we all love

> them for it.  They did not invent it but good god did they do it

> brilliantly.  Even the Rolling Stones were described as a "Dartford Delta

> Blues band" recently.  The Beatles were surely partially due to their

> living in a transatlantic seaport?  Sailors selling the lp's they'd picked

> up in the USA you see?

>

> So...they gave it to us...and we improved it and sold it back to them?

> Tee hee.  x

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *Free download album:

> http://linearobsessional.bandcamp.com/album/the-terminal-beach*

> *

> *

> *PAULWADY.COM*

>

>

> ------------------------------

> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 16:35:19 +1200

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

> Okay, are we all agreed on Kyuss, yeah?

>

>

> Anyone NOT like Kyuss…? Seriously?

>

>

> Okay let’s just put an album on….

>

>

> NO MAN!!!

>

>

> No, fuck’s sake, just put an alb-

>

>

> No man it was my turn tu-

>

>

> Fuckin, just put a FUCKIN album on man

>

>

> Fuckin not Soundga-

>

>

> What?! Fuckin….why not? It’s fuckin awes-

>

>

> NOT FUCKING SOUNDGARDEN, MAAAAAN!!!!! O-KAY?!?!?!?!

>

> Jesus.

> What.

> EVER.

>

>

> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net<gathering-bounces at misera.net>

> ] *On Behalf Of *sade1

> *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 1:52 p.m.

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] punk

>

>

> > ..That was the Chinese...

>

>

> Nah, that was Democracy, not Punk Canada.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *Blessed are the Cracked for *

> *  they let in the Light,*

> *    others all are just a..*

> *      'nother brick in the Wall*

>

>

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <

> gathering at misera.net>

> *Sent:* Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:45 AM

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] punk

>

>

>

> That was the Chinese mate. Sorry.

>

> On 6 Sep 2012, at 18:32, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

>

> The UK invented British punk?

>

> Given this stunning logic, I would like to congratulate Canada for

> inventing "Canadian punk."

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Olly

> Sent: Sep 6, 2012 10:08 AM

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

>

>

> "However, the UK did invent punk"

>

> The *FUCK* it did.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

> The UK DID invent British Punk, which is far superior to US Punk ;)

>

>

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