[kj] punk

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Sat Sep 8 04:48:14 EDT 2012



+1

It really should be simple... but it's not.

Shame.

Jamie




It’s a bit of a shame what’s happened with the KJ lately, I’d like to think they’ll pull out of the nosedive and just shut the fuck up and play that awesome stuff they’ve recorded in the last 3 years. Seriously, simplify it all down, gig it up and play Ghosts of Ladbroke Grove to roomfuls of people who love you and love getting blazed and listening to the sound of the earth vomiting. Simple yeah? But no.




-----Original Message-----
From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 2:10
Subject: Re: [kj] punk



As I recall, Alex in NYC has strong opinions on this topic.

Alex happens to know his shit not only about punk, but he hasn’t let it get to him to the point that he goes feral about any other genre of music that simpletons might try to line up as having some sort of conflict with their one master genre.
ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL, ONE RING TO CONTROL THEM, ONE RI-

“DUDE! STFU! EVERYTHING ISN’T ABOUT TOLK-“

“Okay okay! Sorry.”

I love grunge, okay. I love the chaos, the fun (Melvins e.g) singing about real shit (vs the late 80s rock that I cut my teeth on as a teen, singing about Cherry Pop and pour Some Sugar on Me, it actually spoke to something that meant something to me), and more than anything else I love that the music kicks fucking ass..it pays homage to metal, and punk, and Pixies, and Queen, and Zep, and melody, and Zappa, and Killing joke….etc etc

I’m class of 73. I was 4 when punk happened, and living in NZ, so hey, sorry…but it passed me by. I was WAY more into Tonka and Legos and boogers. I was – accidentally - listening to Lionel Ritchie FM and Phil Collins FM. Little River Band. And the Smurf’s Allstar Show.

So I was 21 in 1994. In NZ listening to mainsteam radio, and a shit ton of NWOBM and some American metal and some Skandi metal, and Beatles, Zep, Sabbath, and a shitton of Jimi. Someone gave me a cassette copy of Superunknown. It was SO FUCKING HEAVY to me that I thought it was some new cassette / musical recording technology. I like, okay. I defend it to the fucking hilt. Like you guys do with punk. But I won’t take a single step back, neither will you. At the end of the day, we have a laugh about it.

BUT WE ALL KNOW I’M RIGHT.

1994 also gave me Pandemonium by Killing Joke. I can’t describe how much it blew me away, originally stuff like Millenium, but once I got into it, Labyrinth, Exorcism…white hot.

It’s a bit of a shame what’s happened with the KJ lately, I’d like to think they’ll pull out of the nosedive and just shut the fuck up and play that awesome stuff they’ve recorded in the last 3 years. Seriously, simplify it all down, gig it up and play Ghosts of Ladbroke Grove to roomfuls of people who love you and love getting blazed and listening to the sound of the earth vomiting. Simple yeah? But no.



From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee
Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012 5:36 a.m.
To: Gathering Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] punk



What fun is that? Don't give up so easily. The last "who invented punk" discussion a year or two back was hi-larious.

;)

Mick Mercer clearly cites the three-legged stool of Goth as being Bauhaus, Theatre of Hate and...Killing Joke. Discuss.

As I recall, Alex in NYC has strong opinions on this topic.

This has been your Friday Trolling Moment.

Rheinhold out.




From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:23:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

Oh, I'm just mucking around. At the end of the day, folks are arguing over a marketing term.
I am very familiar with Punk's history. "Once you have a name for it, yesterday goes on and on and on".

Who invented Goth? Who invented Rave?


From: kjlist at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:11:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [kj] punk



The Dolls date to 1971 and the Stooges to 1967. This discussion doesn't even take into account the US garage band scene of the 1960's: Seeds, Standells, Sonics, etc. Check out Lenny Kaye's "Nuggets" series for further enlightenment.

It is well documented that the UK punk scene was established after exposure to existing American (read: NYC) punks, i.e Ramones first gig at the Roundhouse in July '76 and Malcolm McLaren's trip to NYC in '72 where he met the NY Dolls and where he copped the ripped t-shirt and safety pin look from Richard Hell. McLaren returned to the UK in 1975, opened the "SEX" boutique and applied his learnings to the exploitation of the Sex Pistols. The majority of early UK punks were either someone who saw the Sex Pistols/Buzzcocks in a university lunchroom or pub rockers with new haircuts, a la Joe Strummer.

to wit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvDeee14dEA







From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:55:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

The Saints formed in 1975. That puts them chronologically next to the Dolls. They were Australian. What about Bolan, or the UK Garage bands of the early 70s...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8685349@N07/




From: paulwady at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:34:44 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] punk


>From my previous email:


1 - The very term PUNK was an AMERICANISM in the 1970's. It was adopted by UK people around that time. Even then lets face it, people still don't use it in Blighty for its original meaning today. They didn't then? It is entirely associated with a style from the late 70/s early 80/s best time of all for crude, sincere rock music.

2 - There was this band called the New York Dolls. Assume everyone here does not know them on account of Morrissey running their UK fanclub, and thus everyones kept a distance...what difference does it make??

3 - James Osterberg. Like anyone here needs to know what pseudonym he resides on the UK's bedroom walls under? (Not forgetting Scottish trainspotters...)

4 - Eddy and the Hot Rods. Okay okay, sorry sorry. But I had to remind y'all just how bad things where then. WE HAD THE ****ING OSMONDS ON THE RADIO...ON TOP OF THE POPS...TV SPECIALS...LOOK IN AND THE MAGAZINES AND THE PAPERS... This was surely the closest our generation ever got to living through the Blitz? It was hell in there. Hell. You'd walk down the road and your contemporaries and those a bit older had FLARES and MULLETTS. Me? I still have flashbacks. (Wake up in the middle of the night screaming CRAZY HORSES!!! WAAAH! WAAH! So America does have a lot to answer for. Salt Lake City - capitol of trauma etc).


I am very sorry to bring up the things we'd all rather forget. (Donnie. Marie. Jesus....) But the Sex Pistols did it their way, and we all love them for it. They did not invent it but good god did they do it brilliantly. Even the Rolling Stones were described as a "Dartford Delta Blues band" recently. The Beatles were surely partially due to their living in a transatlantic seaport? Sailors selling the lp's they'd picked up in the USA you see?

So...they gave it to us...and we improved it and sold it back to them? Tee hee. x








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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 16:35:19 +1200
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

Okay, are we all agreed on Kyuss, yeah?

Anyone NOT like Kyuss…? Seriously?

Okay let’s just put an album on….

NO MAN!!!

No, fuck’s sake, just put an alb-

No man it was my turn tu-

Fuckin, just put a FUCKIN album on man

Fuckin not Soundga-

What?! Fuckin….why not? It’s fuckin awes-

NOT FUCKING SOUNDGARDEN, MAAAAAN!!!!! O-KAY?!?!?!?!

Jesus.
What.
EVER.


From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 1:52 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] punk




> ..That was the Chinese...




Nah, that was Democracy, not Punk Canada.







Blessed are the Cracked for

they let in the Light,

others all are just a..

'nother brick in the Wall






From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] punk




That was the Chinese mate. Sorry.

On 6 Sep 2012, at 18:32, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:


The UK invented British punk?

Given this stunning logic, I would like to congratulate Canada for inventing "Canadian punk."







-----Original Message-----
From: Olly
Sent: Sep 6, 2012 10:08 AM
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] punk



"However, the UK did invent punk"

The *FUCK* it did.

Alex in NYC

The UK DID invent British Punk, which is far superior to US Punk ;)




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