[kj] punk

[folk devil]

Yay! As long as it's nothing from behind the door of room 101!
I'll go with the Gothic Goblin, who can never return to the US.
 



From: kjlist at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:50:45 -0500
Subject: Re: [kj] punk




...and you are the Star Prize winner of the day!
 
Legend has it that Andi was the first Goth of the 80s scene. He lived in a building in London called the Visigoth Towers and living around the corner was Ian Astbury. As a joke, he called Andi either Count Visigoth or the Gothic Goblin (depending on different people's memories) and his followers the Goths. The name stuck and when Astbury said it to music journo Dave Dorrell...

You can have your choice of either a luxurious lounge suite or whatever is behind Door #2...




From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:39:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] punk




According to Sounds, Ian Astbury invented Goth, when he called Andi Sex Gang a Visigoth.
 




From: kjlist at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [kj] punk




What fun is that? Don't give up so easily. The last "who invented punk" discussion a year or two back was hi-larious.
 
;)
 
Mick Mercer clearly cites the three-legged stool of Goth as being Bauhaus, Theatre of Hate and...Killing Joke. Discuss.
 
As I recall, Alex in NYC has strong opinions on this topic.
 
This has been your Friday Trolling Moment. 
 
Rheinhold out.
 




From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:23:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] punk




Oh, I'm just mucking around. At the end of the day, folks are arguing over a marketing term.
I am very familiar with Punk's history. "Once you have a name for it, yesterday goes on and on and on".
 
Who invented Goth? Who invented Rave? 


From: kjlist at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:11:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [kj] punk






The Dolls date to 1971 and the Stooges to 1967. This discussion doesn't even take into account the US garage band scene of the 1960's: Seeds, Standells, Sonics, etc. Check out Lenny Kaye's "Nuggets" series for further enlightenment.
 
It is well documented that the UK punk scene was established after exposure to existing American (read: NYC) punks, i.e Ramones first gig at the Roundhouse in July '76 and Malcolm McLaren's trip to NYC in '72 where he met the NY Dolls and where he copped the ripped t-shirt and safety pin look from Richard Hell. McLaren returned to the UK in 1975, opened the "SEX" boutique and applied his learnings to the exploitation of the Sex Pistols. The majority of early UK punks were either someone who saw the Sex Pistols/Buzzcocks in a university lunchroom or pub rockers with new haircuts, a la Joe Strummer.
 
to wit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvDeee14dEA
 
 
 
 












 

 

 


The UK DID invent British Pun

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