[kj] OT: The origins of goth?

Jay Retro drretro at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 22 11:59:43 EST 2012


The Doors had drugs, Brechtian drama, art-school wank and a doomed lead singer. Hell, it set the bar. Add Alice Cooper, The Velvet Underground, relapse-era Johnny Cash, and Berlin-period Bowie and Iggy to fill in the gaps.

 
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How cruel...and unimaginative!



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From: Per G Olsson <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The origins of goth?


OK...
And following on to that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_rock
(WHAT? The Doors?!?!)

But nothing between 1967 (counting The Doors) / 1968 (Glass House Family) and Joy Division?



22 nov 2012 kl. 14.19 skrev wessidetempest .:

Just to get everyone riled up

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>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth_subculture

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>On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:17 AM, "Per G Olsson" <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com> wrote:

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>Yep, I know that the term is extremely widely used.

>>Sticking my neck out as little as possible I'd say that Sisters of Mercy and Bauhaus fully fits my expectations of "goth".

>>Also early Specimen, a bit of Joy Division, early Clan of Xymox etc etc...

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>>22 nov 2012 kl. 14.07 skrev wessidetempest .:

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>>I guess it depends on what you consider goth. For example there are metal bands that are considered. And from my opinion it's only because they dress the part. 

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>>>On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:02 AM, "Per G Olsson" <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com> wrote:

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>>>As the list pretty quiet at the moment (strange considering that Jaz & Youth apparently are releasing stuff and and a KJ single is supposedly due soon) I'd thought I ask a "simple" question...

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>>>>Anyone out there who has a good idea on tracking the roots of "goth"?

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>>>>As with the term "punk" there are many different views on what bands to include, but I hope that among KJ fans there are quite a few that also listens to a lot of "goth".

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>>>>The reason I ask is that I stumbled on this track by The Glass Family from 1968 (http://youtu.be/q_pIiQUIZoA), which in my ears sounds quite "gothic".

>>>>The rest of what The Glass Family released has very little resemblance to "goth" (in my humble ears) so it seems to be a one off.

>>>>Never heard any other 60:s track that sounds so "gothic", but please feel free to enlighten me if there are others!

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>>>>/Per

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>>>>(Cue "It started in the UX" "No, it began in the UY", where X and Y equals K or S depending on who starts)

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