[kj] Hollywood Babylon

[GREG SLAWSON]

I think 2012 is going to go down in KJ history as a great album. Like WTF, Revelations, and Extremities, it all fits together so well, and yetfeels complete, unlike some of their others. It also has such a full sound w/o sounding overproduced. AD has some very strong tracks, but was so disjointed and at times sounded like they werejust trying too hard. If I can ever actually get a cd of 2012 in the USA, I think I'll love it (it already sounds great on my crappy computer).
 > From: dominicoc at hotmail.com

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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 20:36:47 -0700

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> 

> Pandemonium will always be one of my top picks, besides the 3 first LPs, 

> Extremities and Democracy. I finally was able to get my MMXII CD, after a 

> bungled shipping issue... Shipping company at fault... Finally can hear the 

> album with clarity. I still like the continuity of this album. But, AD has 

> its merits, which I love most tracks, but don't care for some others. Yet, I 

> do admit that some tracks from AD do stand out more than MMXII. And, I can't 

> count out Hossanas or KJ2003. Some material is hit and some material is a 

> miss... Oh well, there are some ups and downs...

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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 08:32:13 -0400

> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Jazs Book Collection For Sale

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> 

> I noticed he has a paperb ack called "Jester"--which came first, the book or 

> the KJ theme?

> 

> 

> 

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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:25:04 +0100

> From: brandymoth at yahoo.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Jazs Book Collection For Sale

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> 

> 

> Well, I have much better collection, jolly good show & I have no intention 

> of selling it. Too much other stuff I no longer have wandering.  Nothing 

> really I need there although read Caught In The Light by Robert Goddard 

> recently & is my favourite of Goddards so far, so well recommended 

> especially if u like the Dorset countryside as I do.  Only other would be 

> maybe Love In The Time Of Cholera which have yet to read but hope to do so 

> at some point.

> 

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>   2. Re: Jazs' book collection for sale (Neil Perry)

>   3. Re: Jazs' book collection for sale (ADRIAN WASON)

>   4. Re: Jazs' book collection for sale (bongo)

>   5. Re: Jazs' book collection for sale (Brendan Quinn)

>   6. Re: Jazs' book collection for sale (Brendan Quinn)

>   7. Re: Jazs' book collection for sale (fatpotanga)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:49:59 +0100

> From: "Phillipps, Marc" <Marc.Phillipps at nclondon.nhs.uk>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Jazs' book collection for sale

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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> Is it Killing Joke sell their stuff time?

> 

> Coming up next, your chance to own Youths collection of oddly shaped

> stones he has found in his back garden

> 

> -----Original Message-----

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> On Behalf Of fatpotanga

> Sent: 23 May 2012 08:17

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> Subject: Re: [kj] Jazs' book collection for sale

> 

> Now you can own Jaz's copy of Wilbur Smith River God.. :)

> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=478212437&ed=true

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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:57:05 +0200

> From: Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>

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> Always interesting to browse through someone else's book collection.

> Its the incongruous stuff I like - eg 'The Story of Air Fighting'.

> 

> I wonder which album the Curious George pop-up book helped inspire.

> And should we be worried it is on the shelf next to the Kama Sutra?

> (Presumably

> not the pop-up version.)

> 

> n

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> 

> On 23 May 2012 09:17, fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:

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> > Now you can own Jaz's copy of Wilbur Smith River God.. :)

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> From: ADRIAN WASON <adrianwason at btinternet.com>

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> or geordie's porno collection(allegedly)

> 

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> From: "Phillipps, Marc" <Marc.Phillipps at nclondon.nhs.uk>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012, 9:49

> Subject: Re: [kj] Jazs' book collection for sale

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> Is it Killing Joke sell their stuff time?

> 

> Coming up next, your chance to own Youths collection of oddly shaped

> stones he has found in his back garden

> 

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> On Behalf Of fatpotanga

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> Now you can own Jaz's copy of Wilbur Smith River God.. :)

> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=478212437&ed=true

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> From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>

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> fuck, there's a few there i want . . . tempting!!!

> 

> 

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> 

> 

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> postponed indefinitely..."

> 

> 

> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 7:17 PM, fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> > Now you can own Jaz's copy of Wilbur Smith River God.. :)

> > http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=478212437&ed=true

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> From: "Brendan Quinn" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

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> Jesus Lived in India...yeah gotta read that one *crazy eyes*

> 

> I'll pick it up if it doesn't go too high, it's an NZ site.

> 

> PS: Fats how the crap did you end up looking at Trademe...?

> 

> 

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> Now you can own Jaz's copy of Wilbur Smith River God.. :)

> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=478212437&ed=true

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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:41:05 +1200

> From: "Brendan Quinn" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

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> Bahahaha it's got you written all over it Bongles.

> 

> 

> 

> I'll go you halves, you can have the potty stuff and I'll have the porn.

> 

> 

> 

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of bongo

> Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 9:30 p.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

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> 

> 

> fuck, there's a few there i want . . . tempting!!!

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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> 

> 

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> postponed indefinitely..."

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> 

> 

> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 7:17 PM, fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> Now you can own Jaz's copy of Wilbur Smith River God.. :)

> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=478212437

> <http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=478212437&ed=true> &ed=true

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> From: fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Jazs' book collection for sale

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> On 23 May 2012, at 10:40, Brendan Quinn wrote:

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> > PS: Fats how the crap did you end up looking at Trademe...?

> 

> Jazs' daughter Tabs posted it on the KJ facebook group so thought Id' share

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> From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>

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> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Brendan Quinn 

> <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>wrote:

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> > Bahahaha it?s got you written all over it Bongles. ****

> >

> > ** **

> >

> > I?ll go you halves, you can have the potty stuff and I?ll have the porn.

> >

> 

> 

> 

> you got yourself a deal. if i can borrow the porn.

> 

> 

> =)

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> > ** **

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> > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> > *On Behalf Of *bongo

> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 May 2012 9:30 p.m.

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> > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

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> > fuck, there's a few there i want . . . tempting!!!****

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> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> > postponed indefinitely..."

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> > ****

> >

> > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 7:17 PM, fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:*

> > ***

> >

> > Now you can own Jaz's copy of Wilbur Smith River God.. :)

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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:54:58 +0100 (BST)

> From: andrew scott <brandymoth at yahoo.co.uk>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

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> Never heard this track before to my knowledge, certainly not as bad as was 

> led to believe, in fact, dare I say it it may even be better than? couple of 

> tracks associated with MMXII or at least as good.? I think my days of K Joke 

> infatuation may be over as realise that will probably never produce another 

> LP that will suit my temperamental situation.? Or this could be just 

> over-exposure to them over the last few years, as other bands have fallen 

> from view etc.? Just need break really so looking fwd to 2 non-Joke gigs 

> this summer, at least.

> 

> 

> The Fungus Moth.

> ?

> Challenging the Future.

> 

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> ? 2. Re: Hollywood Babylon (wessidetempest .)

> ? 3. Re: Donna Summer dead (sade1)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:23:54 -0700 (PDT)

> From: The Stranger <letranger789 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

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> The first time I was able to see the Joke live was in Portland, Oregon for 

> the Pandemonium tour.? One thing that stands out from that show was that 

> about 30 seconds into the first song (I think it was Communion), Jaz turned 

> around, pointed an accusatory finger at Dugmore and shot at least a hundred 

> nearly visible poison tipped daggers into him with his eyes!? Dugmore had 

> wavered a bit on the tempo...

> 

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> From: folk devil <folk.devil at hotmail.com>

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> 

> 

> The drums on Pandemonium have been seriously helped by a PC. Was?Dugmore 

> that tight live?

> ?

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:12:22 +0100

> From: adrianwason at btinternet.com

> To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com; gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> 

> 

> Dugmore was a brilliant drummer but didn't he cost too much?

> 

> Looking back on that era exorcism was outstanding, and the single with the 

> remixes and whiteout alt mix was bril.

> I still love Labyrinth cos nothing else sounds like it

> was shocked the first time heard communion studio track after only hearing 

> it on the interrupted radcliffe session by how sharp the vocal were and the 

> th epercussion sound.

> jana is a wonderful pop song

> Maths of chaos ?imo fucked up could've been much better

> 

> 

> Outside the Gate still sounds good

> I love it.

> In some ways could be described as the ultimate killing joke album as with 

> all the rumours of it being conceived with the devil

> when i first heard it i was shocked it was a joke,

> but still very very good music

> with proper promotion my love of this land could've been a hit

> and who could forget the ceefax review of America-'disturbinglg good'!

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> To: The Stranger <letranger789 at yahoo.com>; A list about all things Killing 

> Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012, 19:01

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> 

> 

> I agree with Adam. Just heard it after about, oh, say, at least 10 or 12 

> years and though it could be better IMO it sounds good. It's very 

> MathOfChaos w/Whiteout & w/some Savage Freedom remix-whose-name-I-can't 

> recall. The guit-riff is beautiful if tho too solid-body sounding, as 

> someone else has said. (Was Math.Of.Chaos done with a solid-body (LesPaul?)? 

> I can't tell. )?

> 

> Dugmore I've always liked in the band's Panda-Demo-90s-era KJ sound. His 

> drums are not (completely) washed out but instead still add to the overall 

> sound (to the extent Jaz let him, anyway). His playing is less baroque than 

> Atkins' but props and drive the songs thru enough with a strong plod and 

> nice use of the snare, methinks. And although not of KJ, Dugmore was an 

> integral part of the KJ SOUND (2cds, +singles and one-offs). Close enough; I 

> give him credit. I'd thank him if I saw him (which I actually have, 

> indirectly).

> Oh, and yeah, it's too long of a song also.?So what's new.?

> 

> I think the "cheese"/sleaze/controversy of the host-film "Showgirls" ?this 

> little diddy attached itself onto all remora-like really has tainted 

> listeners to some extent (I mean, c'mon: her, him,IT!) so it's good a decade 

> or so has past before i heard it again.

> 

> Here it is,?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XjjK3XF0xc

> 

> 

> Now, about Outside The Gate... .. . .?

> ? . .. I think we'll have to resort to The Doha Debates to decide that one. 

> Right after they settle the issue of Punk Provenance: London v. New York.

> 

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> From: The Stranger <letranger789 at yahoo.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:31 AM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> 

> 

> I beg to differ on both points Mr. Moss!

> 

> 1.? The main guitar riff that comes in right after the intro drum roll is 

> super speedy and complex and reeks of Geordiness!? The tone isn't his usual 

> but I think the playing is pure him.? The riff sounds like a first cousin of 

> the one in Mathematics of Chaos.

> 

> 2.? I've always liked this tune.? I think the lyrics are brilliant.? Subject 

> matter that no one ever talks about but should - reminds me of the short 

> story "Kreutzer Sonata" by Tolstoy..? The vocal melody and delivery are 

> really strong and I love the dark trancey dancey element of the music..

> 

> Then again, I think Outside The Gate is massive.? ;)

> 

> Adam

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:37 AM

> Subject: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> 

> Just "found" this again.

> 

> 2 points.

> 

> 1. I'm not convinced its Geordie playing. Could be a youth Jaz thing cos the 

> guitar sounds wrong.

> 

> 

> 2.? It's shit.

> 

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> From: "wessidetempest ." <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> To: The Stranger <letranger789 at yahoo.com>,??? "A list about all things

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> He seemed to do fine in Detroit on the pandemonium tour

> 

> On May 17, 2012, at 4:29 PM, "The Stranger" <letranger789 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 

> > The first time I was able to see the Joke live was in Portland, Oregon for 

> > the Pandemonium tour.? One thing that stands out from that show was that 

> > about 30 seconds into the first song (I think it was Communion), Jaz 

> > turned around, pointed an accusatory finger at Dugmore and shot at least a 

> > hundred nearly visible poison tipped daggers into him with his eyes!? 

> > Dugmore had wavered a bit on the tempo...

> >

> > From: folk devil <folk.devil at hotmail.com>

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:57 PM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> >

> > The drums on Pandemonium have been seriously helped by a PC. Was Dugmore 

> > that tight live?

> >?

> > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:12:22 +0100

> > From: adrianwason at btinternet.com

> > To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com; gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> >

> > Dugmore was a brilliant drummer but didn't he cost too much?

> >

> > Looking back on that era exorcism was outstanding, and the single with the 

> > remixes and whiteout alt mix was bril.

> > I still love Labyrinth cos nothing else sounds like it

> > was shocked the first time heard communion studio track after only hearing 

> > it on the interrupted radcliffe session by how sharp the vocal were and 

> > the th epercussion sound.

> > jana is a wonderful pop song

> > Maths of chaos? imo fucked up could've been much better

> >

> >

> > Outside the Gate still sounds good

> > I love it.

> > In some ways could be described as the ultimate killing joke album as with 

> > all the rumours of it being conceived with the devil

> > when i first heard it i was shocked it was a joke,

> > but still very very good music

> > with proper promotion my love of this land could've been a hit

> > and who could forget the ceefax review of America-'disturbinglg good'!

> >

> > From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> > To: The Stranger <letranger789 at yahoo.com>; A list about all things Killing 

> > Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012, 19:01

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> >

> > I agree with Adam. Just heard it after about, oh, say, at least 10 or 12 

> > years and though it could be better IMO it sounds good. It's very 

> > MathOfChaos w/Whiteout & w/some Savage Freedom remix-whose-name-I-can't 

> > recall. The guit-riff is beautiful if tho too solid-body sounding, as 

> > someone else has said. (Was Math.Of.Chaos done with a solid-body 

> > (LesPaul?)? I can't tell. )

> >

> > Dugmore I've always liked in the band's Panda-Demo-90s-era KJ sound. His 

> > drums are not (completely) washed out but instead still add to the overall 

> > sound (to the extent Jaz let him, anyway). His playing is less baroque 

> > than Atkins' but props and drive the songs thru enough with a strong plod 

> > and nice use of the snare, methinks. And although not of KJ, Dugmore was 

> > an integral part of the KJ SOUND (2cds, +singles and one-offs). Close 

> > enough; I give him credit. I'd thank him if I saw him (which I actually 

> > have, indirectly).

> > Oh, and yeah, it's too long of a song also. So what's new.

> >

> > I think the "cheese"/sleaze/controversy of the host-film "Showgirls"? this 

> > little diddy attached itself onto all remora-like really has tainted 

> > listeners to some extent (I mean, c'mon: her, him, IT!) so it's good a 

> > decade or so has past before i heard it again.

> >

> > Here it is, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XjjK3XF0xc

> >

> > Now, about Outside The Gate... .. . .

> >? . .. I think we'll have to resort to The Doha Debates to decide that one. 

> >Right after they settle the issue of Punk Provenance: London v. New York.

> >

> > From: The Stranger <letranger789 at yahoo.com>

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

> > <gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:31 AM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> >

> > I beg to differ on both points Mr. Moss!

> >

> > 1.? The main guitar riff that comes in right after the intro drum roll is 

> > super speedy and complex and reeks of Geordiness!? The tone isn't his 

> > usual but I think the playing is pure him.? The riff sounds like a first 

> > cousin of the one in Mathematics of Chaos.

> >

> > 2.? I've always liked this tune.? I think the lyrics are brilliant.? 

> > Subject matter that no one ever talks about but should - reminds me of the 

> > short story "Kreutzer Sonata" by Tolstoy..? The vocal melody and delivery 

> > are really strong and I love the dark trancey dancey element of the 

> > music..

> >

> > Then again, I think Outside The Gate is massive.? ;)

> >

> > Adam

> >

> > From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke <gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:37 AM

> > Subject: [kj] Hollywood Babylon

> >

> > Just "found" this again.

> >

> > 2 points.

> >

> > 1. I'm not convinced its Geordie playing. Could be a youth Jaz thing cos 

> > the guitar sounds wrong.

> >

> >

> > 2.? It's shit.

> >

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> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT)

> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Donna Summer dead

> To: ADRIAN WASON <adrianwason at btinternet.com>,??? "A list about all

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> So, the gays will cry if you are in fact hung? ?wha'?huh?

> 

> 

> "Creme de months"? Was ist das?

> 

> ________________________________

> From: ADRIAN WASON <adrianwason at btinternet.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:00 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Donna Summer dead

> 

> 

> all the gays will be crying into their creme de months(no offence and i hope 

> i won't be told of list to hang myself again!)

> 

> 

> ________________________________

> From: fleamusic <fleamusic at zoho.com>

> To: A Joke <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012, 17:51

> Subject: [kj] Donna Summer dead

> 

> 

> 

> Immortalised on the Joke intro tape, she will live forever!

> 

> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/donna-summer-dies-aged-63-7763619.html

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