[kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks

[Dominico C]

Yes, it is due to an evolving global capitalist system.  Not only China's 
shifting capitalist economy, but other countries like India are evolving 
more into a capitalist economy.  The global economy has shifted to 
capitalism.


"Fluke, I think you'll agree you've got part of this backwards. The 
lessening of wealth is not due to "communist ideals" but capitalist 
economics. Capitalism has built-in
competition beteween businesses as well as countries (the political 
representation of business). Real communism can lead to the expansion of 
wealth
because there is no competition, which leads to overproduction of goods, 
followed by lowering of wages, unemployment, cuts in services (just what is
happening now in the US and elsewhere). So the shift of wealth from West to 
East is really a natural process of capitalism and imperialism (e.g. China 
is growing as an imperialist country).
Take an obvious historical example--when the USSR was advancing, they were 
only about 1/2 communist, but they were setting world records for production
even while the rest of the globe was caught in the Great Depression."

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Fluke, I think you'll agree you've got part of this backwards. The lessening 
of wealth is not due to "communist ideals" but capitalist economics. 
Capitalism has built-in
competition beteween businesses as well as countries (the political 
representation of business). Real communism can lead to the expansion of 
wealth
because there is no competition, which leads to overproduction of goods, 
followed by lowering of wages, unemployment, cuts in services (just what is
happening now in the US and elsewhere). So the shift of wealth from West to 
East is really a natural process of capitalism and imperialism (e.g. China 
is growing as an imperialist country).
Take an obvious historical example--when the USSR was advancing, they were 
only about 1/2 communist, but they were setting world records for production
even while the rest of the globe was caught in the Great Depression.

From: fluke1 at live.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:15:10 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII
















"Besides all this, what?s happening at the moment is you?re getting whole 
groups of people waking up to the reality of our economic and banking 
systems that we?ve had in place for hundreds of years. Like this Occupy Wall 
Street movement ? the dissent that?s growing across the globe, you can see a 
polarization of values. I think that speculation on extreme life extinction 
is a waste of time, but what?s really happening is a major shift in our 
values"


   I dont believe that that is the reason.
The Occupy wall street protests are predominantly First World based , and 
recently there has been a huge shift of wealth, from West to East .
Previously First World Countries had the majority of wealth, now that wealth 
has been spread globally...so theres less to go around
Descent isnt growing across the globe,, its only growing in Countries that 
are being adversely affected by the new wealth distribution process.
This is the effect of the Communist ideals that Jaz adheres too .
More people sharing the wealth and jobs, so there's less to go around .






From: antoni at clara.net
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:29:35 +0100
Subject: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII







As posted on one of the FB groups :

If ever there was a year for a Killing Joke album, this is it. Fearless 
front man Jaz Coleman gives The Skinny an in-depth guide to the post-punk 
godfathers' second studio LP in 18 months. Fire up the kettle and strap 
yourself in...
Feature by Dave Kerr.
Published 28 March 2012
Pole Shift
I think most people will be familiar with the concept of what a pole shift 
is, which has happened on our planet so many times. If you look at the 
historian Herodotus who went to Egypt and talked to the priests there, they 
told him that the sun had changed from rising in the east to rising in the 
west four times in their history; we?re due for another one.
The earth?s geomagnetic current is diminishing in power; the worry is that 
this is a prelude to a complete pole flip. Magnetic north, you see, is meant 
to be moving at a rate of two inches every ten years, right now it?s moving 
at 70km a year. It has left Canada and is now hurtling towards Siberia as we 
speak.
The outcome of a flip would mean that the earth would stop going one way, 
the stars would stand still, then it would move the other way ? causing 
massive earth displacement, which is like the rocks moving underneath the 
carpet really fast. If you could imagine the kind of tidal waves that would 
probably take out most of the coastal cities, meaning that the only real 
safe places on the planet would be somewhere high above sea level, 
presumably.
The thing about a diminishing magnetic field is that, we?re at 0.005 gauss, 
and if it gets to 0 gauss on planet Earth ? they?ve done tests on what 
happens to cosmonauts and astronauts under these conditions and it produces 
random aggression and madness basically. So if you think about places like 
Cairo, where the great marker peg of the pyramid is, you can see that 
something abnormal is happening.
Besides all this, what?s happening at the moment is you?re getting whole 
groups of people waking up to the reality of our economic and banking 
systems that we?ve had in place for hundreds of years. Like this Occupy Wall 
Street movement ? the dissent that?s growing across the globe, you can see a 
polarization of values. I think that speculation on extreme life extinction 
is a waste of time, but what?s really happening is a major shift in our 
values. The things that are dear to us these days ? this ?me? generation, 
everybody wanting iPhones, material things and more wages ? we need a 
revolution of the heart.
To move away from this mode we need to activate the right side of the 
cerebral hemisphere. We?ve got materialist mode on at the moment, and if we 
continue going down this path, within seven years we?ll need a new planet 
that we can rape for resources. So the whole idea of economic growth ? it?s 
a redundant concept. We should be looking at sustainability and the 
wellbeing of the human condition above anything. I?m absolutely not a 
capitalist, I?m not a Marxist either. But I am a communist when it comes 
down to equal opportunities, divisions of the spoils, I believe that food 
and water is a human right. It?s not just for the rich.
FEMA Camp

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There was some resistance in Germany, for example among students (there's a 
film about this called something Rose) I think. But unfortunately the German
Communist Party had a non-revolutionary position and thought the way to try 
to gain power was thru elections. They did not have the position of
fighting the Nazis from the start, while they were still small. If they had, 
the holocaust might not have happened.

From: fluke1 at live.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:38:49 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII







"I never thought I?d see such disturbing trends in my lifetime. My father 
was passionate about being active and fighting the Nazis. I was brought up 
in the shadow of the last war; for me to see a whole business of 
concentration camps being built, and very few people speaking out about it 
except the odd person here and there, well mankind?s taking a dangerous 
direction.
If you didn?t speak out about such things I think you?d be a traitor to 
yourself. I don?t know whether I could live with myself without speaking out 
? my father instilled it into me that the biggest evil was the silence of 
the German people when they knew such dreadful things were happening."




    That is quite offensive towards German people , the German population 
were unaware of the existence of concentration camps,. or at least to real 
reason for their existence , it wasn't until after the war that the full 
extent of the purpose of concentration camps became known.

   Don't forget that were are talking about a time before mass communication 
and even easily accessible telephones .

Even if some Germans did know what was going on, what could they have done 
about it ?






From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:40:25 +1300
Subject: Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII








The ?Maori calendar? bit cracked me up. The Maori number system consisted of 
?one, two, many? ? good luck with that calendar.




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
Behalf Of Rob Moss
Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:08 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII


Ever cheerful Jaz.



Thing is, he laughs alot too!

A very interesting man - I'm glad he's wrong most of the time!

On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:29, "pssyche23" <antoni at clara.net> wrote:


As posted on one of the FB groups :


If ever there was a year for a Killing Joke album, this is it. Fearless 
front man Jaz Coleman gives The Skinny an in-depth guide to the post-punk 
godfathers' second studio LP in 18 months. Fire up the kettle and strap 
yourself in...
Feature by Dave Kerr.
Published 28 March 2012
Pole Shift
I think most people will be familiar with the concept of what a pole shift 
is, which has happened on our planet so many times. If you look at the 
historian Herodotus who went to Egypt and talked to the priests there, they 
told him that the sun had changed from rising in the east to rising in the 
west four times in their history; we?re due for another one.
The earth?s geomagnetic current is diminishing in power; the worry is that 
this is a prelude to a complete pole flip. Magnetic north, you see, is meant 
to be moving at a rate of two inches every ten years, right now it?s moving 
at 70km a year. It has left Canada and is now hurtling towards Siberia as we 
speak.
The outcome of a flip would mean that the earth would stop going one way, 
the stars would stand still, then it would move the other way ? causing 
massive earth displacement, which is like the rocks moving underneath the 
carpet really fast. If you could imagine the kind of tidal waves that would 
probably take out most of the coastal cities, meaning that the only real 
safe places on the planet would be somewhere high above sea level, 
presumably.
The thing about a diminishing magnetic field is that, we?re at 0.005 gauss, 
and if it gets to 0 gauss on planet Earth ? they?ve done tests on what 
happens to cosmonauts and astronauts under these conditions and it produces 
random aggression and madness basically. So if you think about places like 
Cairo, where the great marker peg of the pyramid is, you can see that 
something abnormal is happening.
Besides all this, what?s happening at the moment is you?re getting whole 
groups of people waking up to the reality of our economic and banking 
systems that we?ve had in place for hundreds of years. Like this Occupy Wall 
Street movement ? the dissent that?s growing across the globe, you can see a 
polarization of values. I think that speculation on extreme life extinction 
is a waste of time, but what?s really happening is a major shift in our 
values. The things that are dear to us these days ? this ?me? generation, 
everybody wanting iPhones, material things and more wages ? we need a 
revolution of the heart.
To move away from this mode we need to activate the right side of the 
cerebral hemisphere. We?ve got materialist mode on at the moment, and if we 
continue going down this path, within seven years we?ll need a new planet 
that we can rape for resources. So the whole idea of economic growth ? it?s 
a redundant concept. We should be looking at sustainability and the 
wellbeing of the human condition above anything. I?m absolutely not a 
capitalist, I?m not a Marxist either. But I am a communist when it comes 
down to equal opportunities, divisions of the spoils, I believe that food 
and water is a human right. It?s not just for the rich.
FEMA Camp
Your duty to yourself is to click onto YouTube, Google away and do 
everything you do these days to educate yourself on this. It?s a very 
disturbing trend. Basically, what?s happening in America is that 800-1000 
new FEMA camps are being erected, which ? let?s be very clear about this ? 
are for civilian inmates.
Everybody in the US ? and I believe in the United Kingdom ? is going to be 
divided into three colours. ?Red? means that basically you hold 
anti-establishment views and are a threat to the State, ?Blue? are those who 
sympathise with the Red people, and ?Yellow? is for cretinous, drone-like 
workers. So I think we should all be concerned.
I never thought I?d see such disturbing trends in my lifetime. My father was 
passionate about being active and fighting the Nazis. I was brought up in 
the shadow of the last war; for me to see a whole business of concentration 
camps being built, and very few people speaking out about it except the odd 
person here and there, well mankind?s taking a dangerous direction.
If you didn?t speak out about such things I think you?d be a traitor to 
yourself. I don?t know whether I could live with myself without speaking out 
? my father instilled it into me that the biggest evil was the silence of 
the German people when they knew such dreadful things were happening. This 
is being repeated again. So, that?s the second track!
Rapture
Rapture is the whole reason we don?t go to church and we go to Killing Joke 
concerts ? the spiritual sucker that we get from the intensity of it. 
Speaking for myself, this is why I go to a Killing Joke concert, even though 
I?m on the wrong side of the stage as it were. After a show, I feel an 
incredible sense of wellbeing. This gives me a greater spiritual strength 
than any of the options our society provides with organised religion. 
Rapture?s really about the ecstatic state we seek in our ceremonies at our 
church that some would call a rock concert.
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Colony Collapse
This sounds Wagnerian to me. It?s about the direction that we?re moving in 
with the rise of nanotechnology and biotechnology. Basically, in a short 
time, human life will be inseparable from artificial life, and what we?ll 
have is a situation whereby elite members of human society can live to an 
age of 300-400 years old, but of course they?ll have no emotional faculties. 
You?ll have loads of people begging for death in bodies that have no sense 
of feeling left. Humanity is defined by our ability to have compassion ? to 
empathise with one another.
The direction we?re taking with technology will lead us into a condition 
where there?s nothing about humanity that can be associated with it ? 
downloading consciousness into reared body parts, or whatever their grisly 
little vision is. That?s why on each of the verses you have this line 
?Beloved mother intervene? and I use Professor Hawking?s quote, saying that 
?a virus should count as life.? This is really illustrative of the dreadful, 
dominant left of cerebral hemisphere attitude ? that a virus should count as 
life in our modern world. What I conclude at the end of every verse is 
?cataclysm, please intervene before this gets out of hand.? The way we?re 
going is wrong, and the only thing that can right it is cataclysm itself.
Corporate Elect
I think this is self-explanatory, isn?t it? In a world where Mr Murdoch can 
walk in the backdoor at Number 10, and he?s just the tip of the iceberg. 
Consider this: There are only three countries in the world that don?t have a 
Rothchild bank ? North Korea, Iran and Cuba?consolidation is nearly 
complete. So you see, we?re all at the mercy of our corporate masters. We?re 
looking at the end of the democratic experiment and the beginning of an 
authoritarian era. Worse ? they?re non-elected, worse again ? they can?t 
even come under the category of an elite, because they?re fucking bankers! 
The only thing that can save us is to educate people. You see unrest 
everywhere, but there?s no music to this movement ? that?s the other 
interesting thing. We?ve made a dreadful mistake.
In Cythera
It?s too painful for me to listen to this track, in a funny way. For people 
that don?t know, there are two canvases by an artist called Antoine Watteau, 
one?s in Berlin and the other is in the Louvre in Paris. They both 
illustrate people leaving a beautiful, sensual, fertile green island, on a 
boat that?s taking them to grey lands in the distance. One woman?s looking 
back wistfully on the island of sensuality and it?s this feeling I get every 
time I have to leave my island, get on tour with Killing Joke and leave 
everybody I love on the other side of the world.
It?s not like going from London to Paris when you?re living 100 miles off 
the coast of New Zealand. It is quite a distance, and you do get this 
feeling like you never know whether you?re going to make it back and see 
your children or everything you love again. You just don?t know. The 
distance impresses this on you.
Cythera is the island that the mythical Venus or Aphrodite was born on, so 
all islands are, metaphorically speaking, sacred to Venus or Aphrodite. You 
can see this in Watteau?s painting. But the song itself is really addressed 
to the people who, when I?ve literally gone fucking hungry, they?ve put food 
in my stomach and given me somewhere to stay. That?s what this song?s about. 
When I say ?I?ll see you in Cythera,? they know what it means.
Primobile
This song is about the guys in the band and our relationship with each 
other. Everything in the band is based on a laugh and very, very black 
humour ? I?ve said it many times before: when you laugh, when you go through 
the physiology of laughing, there?s no fear in you at that moment. That?s 
why the act of laughing and especially black humour is so dear to Killing 
Joke, so that?s why the chorus goes ?Holy is the laughter that overcomes all 
your fears.? It?s a metaphor for how we?ve survived the madness really.
The second verse of that song concentrates on where we are now ? we?re not 
dead yet ? and what we must do as a band before we go into the next world. 
It says ?Did you overcome the shadow, confront the rage,? because we?ve all 
got this fury in us; when we were younger men, society had deemed us 
worthless and we were angry. There must be a lot of people out there who 
have left school with no exams and feel as worthless and angry as we did.
The challenge of what lies in front of us is written in the second verse. 
?Will we till the soil and plant a forest for the human race?? It speaks in 
terms of human activity developing through a non-parasitic mode; that?s why 
cataclysm is inevitable, because mankind is in a parasitic mode. The earth 
is not only alive but it?s intelligent, and if you?ve got a load of fleas on 
you then what the fuck do you do? You want to have a look at a picture of 
all the space debris round earth ? it looks like ticks or fleas or 
something, and that?s really quite symbolic of how I see human activity in 
its current mode.
So what I?m saying in the second verse is there?s a cut-off point, where the 
spirit of going on tours and supporting the entertainment industry and all 
that, that?s gonna change. Instead of having concert halls we?ll have 
temples. It?ll no longer be for entertainment, it?ll be part of a new 
socio-religious activity, in the way that Fela Kuti dreamed it, where he set 
up a temple in Nigeria and on a Friday he would do free concerts and it was 
all tied into his spirituality.
Looking at this dreadful situation with the food supply being in shortage, I 
have a farm, and so the idea of ?digging for victory? as Geordie calls it ? 
that every parkland, every back garden could be used for food cultivation 
because we can no longer afford supermarket food and supermarket food is no 
longer healthy for us because it?s had all the nutrients and vitamins 
extracted in line with the CODEX program. So it?s this dream of increasing 
food production and finding another way of living ? not the way I?m living 
now, not the way I?m touring and going on planes ? not this. This is over. 
This is finished. There?s a cut-off point.
Glitch
Glitch was written in anticipation of the solar storms. We?re so dependant 
on our computers and satellites ? when the solar storms kick in they?re just 
fucked, like that. We can?t be so dependant on our current technological 
system. The song says ?Solar storms have come and chaos rules outside, the 
freezer?s broke, the foods are off, the GPS has died.? It?s about the 
madness and stupidity of our current mode. It?s highly temporal and we 
shouldn?t trust in it. I saw a thing the other day about some kid who was 
shown a book and was looking for the computer pad. The motherfuckers. The 
state of this world; we?re so far from past the tipping point. The only 
thing left is destruction, we can?t go on anymore like this ? I don?t 
believe it.
We?re going to have a few shocks, and it doesn?t take much imagination to 
see what the first one?s going to be ? with Iran and Israel. The question 
is: will it go nuclear or not? We?re in an incredibly fragile state, all 
that?s necessary is for Greece to default and send up inflation for the 
average person. Remember this: in China the average person spends 70% of 
their income on food. Now, when Greece defaults, inflation will send it up 
to 90%, which will create social unrest. It?s making the world a very 
unstable place. You won?t have long to wait for this madness to kick in.
What we know is it?s worse than the situation with the old Soviet Union and 
the United States, because at least they had basic communications between 
the two sides ? there?s no hotline between Tehran and Tel Aviv. Don?t be 
surprised if you see a nuke going up somewhere in the Middle East this year, 
just don?t be surprised. The powers that be have already signed off on it, 
the way I see it, in the same way as in the countdown to the last Iraq war, 
you could see they?d made their decision and nothing?s gonna stop that. It 
doesn?t matter if there are weapons of mass destruction or not, the fact is 
a showdown?s coming. I don?t know what to say about that, except it?s quite 
clear we haven?t made a Class A civilisation yet, we?re still at war with 
each other. I think that these nasty things, like a nuke going off or 
another big disaster would be exactly what certain authorities would like to 
implement things like implants and to take away the last of our civil 
liberties. I think th
ey?ll use shock and fear to accomplish this.
Trance
When I?m not doing music I?m interested in the magnetic convergence points 
on the planet ? they have very peculiar properties. I borrow a gauss machine 
sometimes and research these convergence points that stone circles mark. 
This song is really about the idea of putting on concerts within them, or 
raising energy in these places.
It?s more about finding a solution than looking at our fears and horrors. 
It?s a cultural decision. We did one concert in a very strange place, that?s 
to say one of these areas, in our career. In the Killing Joke documentary 
you?ll see everybody talking about what happened to us individually when we 
played it. This initiated my interest in these magnetic grid points that 
crisscross the planet. I?ve studied these things with Uri Geller and all 
sorts of people and taken great interest in them. It?s really about trance 
in the fields of light, it?s about getting to a state of grace in these 
magnetic convergence points, period.
On All Hallow's Eve
This was written about all the people we?ve known who?ve died, and how we?re 
going to join them. In the same way that the Mexicans celebrate the Day of 
the Dead, it?s remembering all the people along the way. When we remember 
them, they come alive in us. It?s animism and ancestor worship, that?s 
really what this last song is about.
I love this track so much, because on All Hallow?s Eve ? culturally, in this 
country, it?s in the Christian church they say prayers for the deceased on 
this day. This is the time where we would call on our ancestors to guide us 
through the cold winter to give us advice from the other world.
In lieu of the fact that all of our fathers are gone now and many of our 
friends have passed ? including Raven ? this is a song to remember them all. 
It?s a joyous song, and I find there?s much to live for. But first, one of 
the biggest problems we face on this planet is having 435 nuclear power 
stations. In my dreams every last one of them is decommissioned and 
dismantled. Every last one of 
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