[kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII

[Dominico C]

I would love to hear a track dedicated to Area 51... !!! As far as Jaz's 
points of view, or the band's points of view, they have mentioned that they 
make jabs at things too, as they refer to the "the killing joke". There are 
some points that Jaz has spoke about (in the past)  that seemed to me,  to 
be insensitive, but they are his opinions... I will still enjoy the music, 
and ignore some things.




"facet of Jaz's paranoia gets on my frigging nerves and I'm pissed off that 
he's
clogging up valuable

album space with boring songs about it. If it had been a great song, I 
wouldn't
have minded so much."

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:27:03 -0400
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I'm sure the camps are fake, but a scary truth is that the FEMA legislation 
has provisions for mass arrests, etc of civilians in times of 
domesticuprising.
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:24:52 -0500
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Well done neil!











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Of Neil Perry

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012
6:24 PM

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Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII





Heh well said.

Jaz is an intelligent man so I find it slightly - what's the word - 
mystifying?
- that

he believes this Fema Camp nonsense. The fact is, if you go on
YouTube/Google/whatever,

as Jaz urges, you can swiftly discover how the whole thing is a crock of 
shit.

The Fema Camp conspiracy theory is one of the more interesting ones in that, 
as


with the fake moon landing conspiracy, the effect seems to be that the 
bigger
and more

rediculous the lie is, the more people seem willing to believe it.

Of course, when the conspiracy started they were Clinton death camps, then 
Bush death

camps, now they are Obama death camps. Funny how all these administrations
agreed on

one thing - we really need lots of death camps!

And yet no matter how secret these places are meant to be, people can just
drive around,

film them, put up videos on YouTube and get away with it. Spooky.



The video I posted earlier



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4



is well known, its 17 years old and shows an old train-repair facility which 
is
apparently in

the process of being turned into a new Auschwitz.
Listen to the commentary - along the lines of

"This is a big building, it could be used to process prisoners" - and
try to keep a straight face.

The video was shot by this woman



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Thompson_(attorney)



who is, surprise surprise, a bit unhinged. She was disowned by the US 
militia movement

because they thought she was too extreme (she planned an armed march on 
Washington

to put senators on trial for treason).



Glenn Beck, of all people, actually debunked the whole thing here - guess 
what?
It actually

is a train-repair facility.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513024,00.html



Popular Mechanics also have their own page on it



http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850



(see point 3 for the train-repair facility)



This features the infamous photo supposed to be a US death/internment camp. 
It is
actually

a prison camp... in North
  Korea. If more people got worked up about
real death camps instead

of imaginary ones, the world might be a better place.



Well, it goes on and on, its all out there if you want to read up on it. 
Sorry
but this particular

facet of Jaz's paranoia gets on my frigging nerves and I'm pissed off that 
he's
clogging up valuable

album space with boring songs about it. If it had been a great song, I 
wouldn't
have minded so much.



n







On 28 March 2012 23:08, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:





Ever cheerful Jaz.











Thing is, he laughs alot too!





A very interesting man - I'm glad he's wrong most of
the time!



















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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:40:25 +1300
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The ?Maori calendar? bit cracked me up. The Maori number system consisted of 
?one, two, many? ? good luck with that calendar.





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Ever cheerful Jaz.



Thing is, he laughs alot too!

A very interesting man - I'm glad he's wrong most of the time!

On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:29, "pssyche23" <antoni at clara.net> wrote:

As posted on one of the FB groups :



http://www.theskinny.co.uk/music/features/301676-trackbytrack_killing_jokes_jaz_coleman_talks_mmxii



If ever there was a year for a Killing Joke album, this is it. Fearless 
front man Jaz Coleman gives The Skinny an in-depth guide to the post-punk 
godfathers' second studio LP in 18 months. Fire up the kettle and strap 
yourself in...

Feature by Dave Kerr.

Published 28 March 2012

Pole Shift

I think most people will be familiar with the concept of what a pole shift 
is, which has happened on our planet so many times. If you look at the 
historian Herodotus who went to Egypt and talked to the priests there, they 
told him that the sun had changed from rising in the east to rising in the 
west four times in their history; we?re due for another one.

The earth?s geomagnetic current is diminishing in power; the worry is that 
this is a prelude to a complete pole flip. Magnetic north, you see, is meant 
to be moving at a rate of two inches every ten years, right now it?s moving 
at 70km a year. It has left Canada and is now hurtling towards Siberia as we 
speak.

The outcome of a flip would mean that the earth would stop going one way, 
the stars would stand still, then it would move the other way ? causing 
massive earth displacement, which is like the rocks moving underneath the 
carpet really fast. If you could imagine the kind of tidal waves that would 
probably take out most of the coastal cities, meaning that the only real 
safe places on the planet would be somewhere high above sea level, 
presumably.

The thing about a diminishing magnetic field is that, we?re at 0.005 gauss, 
and if it gets to 0 gauss on planet Earth ? they?ve done tests on what 
happens to cosmonauts and astronauts under these conditions and it produces 
random aggression and madness basically. So if you think about places like 
Cairo, where the great marker peg of the pyramid is, you can see that 
something abnormal is happening.

Besides all this, what?s happening at the moment is you?re getting whole 
groups of people waking up to the reality of our economic and banking 
systems that we?ve had in place for hundreds of years. Like this Occupy Wall 
Street movement ? the dissent that?s growing across the globe, you can see a 
polarization of values. I think that speculation on extreme life extinction 
is a waste of time, but what?s really happening is a major shift in our 
values. The things that are dear to us these days ? this ?me? generation, 
everybody wanting iPhones, material things and more wages ? we need a 
revolution of the heart.

To move away from this mode we need to activate the right side of the 
cerebral hemisphere. We?ve got materialist mode on at the moment, and if we 
continue going down this path, within seven years we?ll need a new planet 
that we can rape for resources. So the whole idea of economic growth ? it?s 
a redundant concept. We should be looking at sustainability and the 
wellbeing of the human condition above anything. I?m absolutely not a 
capitalist, I?m not a Marxist either. But I am a communist when it comes 
down to equal opportunities, divisions of the spoils, I believe that food 
and water is a human right. It?s not just for the rich.

FEMA Camp

Your duty to yourself is to click onto YouTube, Google away and do 
everything you do these days to educate yourself on this. It?s a very 
disturbing trend. Basically, what?s happening in America is that 800-1000 
new FEMA camps are being erected, which ? let?s be very clear about this ? 
are for civilian inmates.

Everybody in the US ? and I believe in the United Kingdom ? is going to be 
divided into three colours. ?Red? means that basically you hold 
anti-establishment views and are a threat to the State, ?Blue? are those who 
sympathise with the Red people, and ?Yellow? is for cretinous, drone-like 
workers. So I think we should all be concerned.

I never thought I?d see such disturbing trends in my lifetime. My father was 
passionate about being active and fighting the Nazis. I was brought up in 
the shadow of the last war; for me to see a whole business of concentration 
camps being built, and very few people speaking out about it except the odd 
person here and there, well mankind?s taking a dangerous direction.

If you didn?t speak out about such things I think you?d be a traitor to 
yourself. I don?t know whether I could live with myself without speaking out 
? my father instilled it into me that the biggest evil was the silence of 
the German people when they knew such dreadful things were happening. This 
is being repeated again. So, that?s the second track!

Rapture

Rapture is the whole reason we don?t go to church and we go to Killing Joke 
concerts ? the spiritual sucker that we get from the intensity of it. 
Speaking for myself, this is why I go to a Killing Joke concert, even though 
I?m on the wrong side of the stage as it were. After a show, I feel an 
incredible sense of wellbeing. This gives me a greater spiritual strength 
than any of the options our society provides with organised religion. 
Rapture?s really about the ecstatic state we seek in our ceremonies at our 
church that some would call a rock concert.

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Colony Collapse

This sounds Wagnerian to me. It?s about the direction that we?re moving in 
with the rise of nanotechnology and biotechnology. Basically, in a short 
time, human life will be inseparable from artificial life, and what we?ll 
have is a situation whereby elite members of human society can live to an 
age of 300-400 years old, but of course they?ll have no emotional faculties. 
You?ll have loads of people begging for death in bodies that have no sense 
of feeling left. Humanity is defined by our ability to have compassion ? to 
empathise with one another.

The direction we?re taking with technology will lead us into a condition 
where there?s nothing about humanity that can be associated with it ? 
downloading consciousness into reared body parts, or whatever their grisly 
little vision is. That?s why on each of the verses you have this line 
?Beloved mother intervene? and I use Professor Hawking?s quote, saying that 
?a virus should count as life.? This is really illustrative of the dreadful, 
dominant left of cerebral hemisphere attitude ? that a virus should count as 
life in our modern world. What I conclude at the end of every verse is 
?cataclysm, please intervene before this gets out of hand.? The way we?re 
going is wrong, and the only thing that can right it is cataclysm itself.

Corporate Elect

I think this is self-explanatory, isn?t it? In a world where Mr Murdoch can 
walk in the backdoor at Number 10, and he?s just the tip of the iceberg. 
Consider this: There are only three countries in the world that don?t have a 
Rothchild bank ? North Korea, Iran and Cuba?consolidation is nearly 
complete. So you see, we?re all at the mercy of our corporate masters. We?re 
looking at the end of the democratic experiment and the beginning of an 
authoritarian era. Worse ? they?re non-elected, worse again ? they can?t 
even come under the category of an elite, because they?re fucking bankers! 
The only thing that can save us is to educate people. You see unrest 
everywhere, but there?s no music to this movement ? that?s the other 
interesting thing. We?ve made a dreadful mistake.

In Cythera

It?s too painful for me to listen to this track, in a funny way. For people 
that don?t know, there are two canvases by an artist called Antoine Watteau, 
one?s in Berlin and the other is in the Louvre in Paris. They both 
illustrate people leaving a beautiful, sensual, fertile green island, on a 
boat that?s taking them to grey lands in the distance. One woman?s looking 
back wistfully on the island of sensuality and it?s this feeling I get every 
time I have to leave my island, get on tour with Killing Joke and leave 
everybody I love on the other side of the world.

It?s not like going from London to Paris when you?re living 100 miles off 
the coast of New Zealand. It is quite a distance, and you do get this 
feeling like you never know whether you?re going to make it back and see 
your children or everything you love again. You just don?t know. The 
distance impresses this on you.

Cythera is the island that the mythical Venus or Aphrodite was born on, so 
all islands are, metaphorically speaking, sacred to Venus or Aphrodite. You 
can see this in Watteau?s painting. But the song itself is really addressed 
to the people who, when I?ve literally gone fucking hungry, they?ve put food 
in my stomach and given me somewhere to stay. That?s what this song?s about. 
When I say ?I?ll see you in Cythera,? they know what it means.

Primobile

This song is about the guys in the band and our relationship with each 
other. Everything in the band is based on a laugh and very, very black 
humour ? I?ve said it many times before: when you laugh, when you go through 
the physiology of laughing, there?s no fear in you at that moment. That?s 
why the act of laughing and especially black humour is so dear to Killing 
Joke, so that?s why the chorus goes ?Holy is the laughter that overcomes all 
your fears.? It?s a metaphor for how we?ve survived the madness really.

The second verse of that song concentrates on where we are now ? we?re not 
dead yet ? and what we must do as a band before we go into the next world. 
It says ?Did you overcome the shadow, confront the rage,? because we?ve all 
got this fury in us; when we were younger men, society had deemed us 
worthless and we were angry. There must be a lot of people out there who 
have left school with no exams and feel as worthless and angry as we did.

The challenge of what lies in front of us is written in the second verse. 
?Will we till the soil and plant a forest for the human race?? It speaks in 
terms of human activity developing through a non-parasitic mode; that?s why 
cataclysm is inevitable, because mankind is in a parasitic mode. The earth 
is not only alive but it?s intelligent, and if you?ve got a load of fleas on 
you then what the fuck do you do? You want to have a look at a picture of 
all the space debris round earth ? it looks like ticks or fleas or 
something, and that?s really quite symbolic of how I see human activity in 
its current mode.

So what I?m saying in the second verse is there?s a cut-off point, where the 
spirit of going on tours and supporting the entertainment industry and all 
that, that?s gonna change. Instead of having concert halls we?ll have 
temples. It?ll no longer be for entertainment, it?ll be part of a new 
socio-religious activity, in the way that Fela Kuti dreamed it, where he set 
up a temple in Nigeria and on a Friday he would do free concerts and it was 
all tied into his spirituality.

Looking at this dreadful situation with the food supply being in shortage, I 
have a farm, and so the idea of ?digging for victory? as Geordie calls it ? 
that every parkland, every back garden could be used for food cultivation 
because we can no longer afford supermarket food and supermarket food is no 
longer healthy for us because it?s had all the nutrients and vitamins 
extracted in line with the CODEX program. So it?s this dream of increasing 
food production and finding another way of living ? not the way I?m living 
now, not the way I?m touring and going on planes ? not this. This is over. 
This is finished. There?s a cut-off point.

Glitch

Glitch was written in anticipation of the solar storms. We?re so dependant 
on our computers and satellites ? when the solar storms kick in they?re just 
fucked, like that. We can?t be so dependant on our current technological 
system. The song says ?Solar storms have come and chaos rules outside, the 
freezer?s broke, the foods are off, the GPS has died.? It?s about the 
madness and stupidity of our current mode. It?s highly temporal and we 
shouldn?t trust in it. I saw a thing the other day about some kid who was 
shown a book and was looking for the computer pad. The motherfuckers. The 
state of this world; we?re so far from past the tipping point. The only 
thing left is destruction, we can?t go on anymore like this ? I don?t 
believe it.

We?re going to have a few shocks, and it doesn?t take much imagination to 
see what the first one?s going to be ? with Iran and Israel. The question 
is: will it go nuclear or not? We?re in an incredibly fragile state, all 
that?s necessary is for Greece to default and send up inflation for the 
average person. Remember this: in China the average person spends 70% of 
their income on food. Now, when Greece defaults, inflation will send it up 
to 90%, which will create social unrest. It?s making the world a very 
unstable place. You won?t have long to wait for this madness to kick in.

What we know is it?s worse than the situation with the old Soviet Union and 
the United States, because at least they had basic communications between 
the two sides ? there?s no hotline between Tehran and Tel Aviv. Don?t be 
surprised if you see a nuke going up somewhere in the Middle East this year, 
just don?t be surprised. The powers that be have already signed off on it, 
the way I see it, in the same way as in the countdown to the last Iraq war, 
you could see they?d made their decision and nothing?s gonna stop that. It 
doesn?t matter if there are weapons of mass destruction or not, the fact is 
a showdown?s coming. I don?t know what to say about that, except it?s quite 
clear we haven?t made a Class A civilisation yet, we?re still at war with 
each other. I think that these nasty things, like a nuke going off or 
another big disaster would be exactly what certain authorities would like to 
implement things like implants and to take away the last of our civil 
liberties. I think th
ey?ll use shock and fear to accomplish this.

Trance

When I?m not doing music I?m interested in the magnetic convergence points 
on the planet ? they have very peculiar properties. I borrow a gauss machine 
sometimes and research these convergence points that stone circles mark. 
This song is really about the idea of putting on concerts within them, or 
raising energy in these places.

It?s more about finding a solution than looking at our fears and horrors. 
It?s a cultural decision. We did one concert in a very strange place, that?s 
to say one of these areas, in our career. In the Killing Joke documentary 
you?ll see everybody talking about what happened to us individually when we 
played it. This initiated my interest in these magnetic grid points that 
crisscross the planet. I?ve studied these things with Uri Geller and all 
sorts of people and taken great interest in them. It?s really about trance 
in the fields of light, it?s about getting to a state of grace in these 
magnetic convergence points, period.

On All Hallow's Eve

This was written about all the people we?ve known who?ve died, and how we?re 
going to join them. In the same way that the Mexicans celebrate the Day of 
the Dead, it?s remembering all the people along the way. When we remember 
them, they come alive in us. It?s animism and ancestor worship, that?s 
really what this last song is about.

I love this track so much, because on All Hallow?s Eve ? culturally, in this 
country, it?s in the Christian church they say prayers for the deceased on 
this day. This is the time where we would call on our ancestors to guide us 
through the cold winter to give us advice from the other world.

In lieu of the fact that all of our fathers are gone now and many of our 
friends have passed ? including Raven ? this is a song to remember them all. 
It?s a joyous song, and I find there?s much to live for. But first, one of 
the biggest problems we face on this planet is having 435 nuclear power 
stations. In my dreams every last one of them is decommissioned and 
dismantled. Every last one of them.

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