[kj] MMXII first listen (jon chapman)

[Peter LAMB]

Can you make that available, John?

Best regards,
Peter Lamb
Nottingham University Business School
University of Nottingham
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China


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   1. Re: MMXII first listen (jon chapman)
   2. Re: MMXII first listen (Paul Rangecroft)
   3. Re: MMXII first listen (LONESTYLE at aol.com)
   4. Re: MMXII first listen (wessidetempest .)
   5. Re: MMXII first listen (folk devil)
   6. Re: Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII
      (Neil Perry)
   7. Re: Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks MMXII (fluw)


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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:11:58 +0000
From: jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen
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Well, i'm always right.. MMXII lacks bollocks. If you hear the original version of Glitch then maybe you'll see where i'm coming from.







> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:04:12 +0100

> From: paul.rangecroft at gmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

>

> I totally disagree with you and Jon.

>

> On 3/28/12, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

> > I totally agree with Jon.

> >

> > k.w.

> >

> > SoCal

> >

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jon chapman

> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:58 AM

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

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> > I think it's fair to say that MMXII is not as good as Absolute Dissent.

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:28:59 +0100
From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen
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That would only convince me that it could have been even better, not that AD is better.

I hope I do get to hear the demos one day.

On 3/28/12, jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>

> Well, i'm always right.. MMXII lacks bollocks. If you hear the

> original version of Glitch then maybe you'll see where i'm coming from.

>

>> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:04:12 +0100

>> From: paul.rangecroft at gmail.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

>>

>> I totally disagree with you and Jon.

>>

>> On 3/28/12, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

>> > I totally agree with Jon.

>> >

>> > k.w.

>> >

>> > SoCal

>> >

>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> > On

>> > Behalf Of jon chapman

>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:58 AM

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

>> >

>> > I think it's fair to say that MMXII is not as good as Absolute Dissent.



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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:44:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: LONESTYLE at aol.com
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I don't think it is a strong album and it sounds tired in places too. In Cythera is the best song and strongest at that too.  There are some good songs though. But one song sounded really metal for our taste!  Motley Crue would have been proud. ;)

~ LB


In a message dated 3/28/2012 2:12:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk writes:

Well, i'm always right.. MMXII lacks bollocks. If you hear the  original version of Glitch then maybe you'll see where i'm coming from.









> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:04:12  +0100

> From: paul.rangecroft at gmail.com

> To:  gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

>

> I totally disagree with you and Jon.

>

> On 3/28/12,  Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

> > I totally agree  with Jon.

> >

> > k.w.

> >

> >  SoCal

> >

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

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> > Behalf Of jon  chapman

> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:58 AM

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> > Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

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> > I think it's fair to say that MMXII is not as good as  Absolute Dissent.

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:53:55 -0400
From: "wessidetempest ." <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
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On a second lesson in a car ride home it's grown on me exponentially.
Pole shift is still the weakest. There are too many things working against it. I may be able to see why they picked it. Extreme depression to hysterical mayhem. But they've done it better in many other places. AND it's to to long. AND it's first so whatever may be bad is that much more enhanced because it's the opening track.
Rapture and Corporate Elect are incredible.


On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:45 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:


> I don't think it is a strong album and it sounds tired in places too. In Cythera is the best song and strongest at that too.  There are some good songs though. But one song sounded really metal for our taste! Motley Crue would have been proud. ;)

>

> ~ LB

>

> In a message dated 3/28/2012 2:12:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk writes:

> Well, i'm always right.. MMXII lacks bollocks. If you hear the original version of Glitch then maybe you'll see where i'm coming from.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:04:12 +0100

> > From: paul.rangecroft at gmail.com

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

> >

> > I totally disagree with you and Jon.

> >

> > On 3/28/12, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

> > > I totally agree with Jon.

> > >

> > > k.w.

> > >

> > > SoCal

> > >

> > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> > > Behalf Of jon chapman

> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:58 AM

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

> > >

> > > I think it's fair to say that MMXII is not as good as Absolute Dissent.

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Pole Shift is my least favourite. Bad as an intro, too.




From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:53:55 -0400
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen



On a second lesson in a car ride home it's grown on me exponentially.
Pole shift is still the weakest. There are too many things working against it. I may be able to see why they picked it. Extreme depression to hysterical mayhem. But they've done it better in many other places. AND it's to to long. AND it's first so whatever may be bad is that much more enhanced because it's the opening track.
Rapture and Corporate Elect are incredible.


On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:45 PM, LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:





I don't think it is a strong album and it sounds tired in places too. In Cythera is the best song and strongest at that too.  There are some good songs though. But one song sounded really metal for our taste! Motley Crue would have been proud. ;)

~ LB


In a message dated 3/28/2012 2:12:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk writes:

Well, i'm always right.. MMXII lacks bollocks. If you hear the original version of Glitch then maybe you'll see where i'm coming from.









> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:04:12 +0100

> From: paul.rangecroft at gmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

>

> I totally disagree with you and Jon.

>

> On 3/28/12, Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

> > I totally agree with Jon.

> >

> > k.w.

> >

> > SoCal

> >

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> > Behalf Of jon chapman

> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:58 AM

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] MMXII first listen

> >

> > I think it's fair to say that MMXII is not as good as Absolute Dissent.

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 01:23:49 +0200
From: Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks
        MMXII
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Heh well said.
Jaz is an intelligent man so I find it slightly - what's the word -
mystifying? - that
he believes this Fema Camp nonsense. The fact is, if you go on
YouTube/Google/whatever,
as Jaz urges, you can swiftly discover how the whole thing is a crock of
shit.
The Fema Camp conspiracy theory is one of the more interesting ones in
that, as
with the fake moon landing conspiracy, the effect seems to be that the
bigger and more
rediculous the lie is, the more people seem willing to believe it.
Of course, when the conspiracy started they were Clinton death camps, then
Bush death
camps, now they are Obama death camps. Funny how all these administrations
agreed on
one thing - we really need lots of death camps!
And yet no matter how secret these places are meant to be, people can just
drive around,
film them, put up videos on YouTube and get away with it. Spooky.

The video I posted earlier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

is well known, its 17 years old and shows an old train-repair facility
which is apparently in
the process of being turned into a new Auschwitz. Listen to the commentary
- along the lines of
"This is a big building, it could be used to process prisoners" - and try
to keep a straight face.
The video was shot by this woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Thompson_(attorney)

who is, surprise surprise, a bit unhinged. She was disowned by the US
militia movement
because they thought she was too extreme (she planned an armed march on
Washington
to put senators on trial for treason).

Glenn Beck, of all people, actually debunked the whole thing here - guess
what? It actually
is a train-repair facility.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513024,00.html

Popular Mechanics also have their own page on it

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

(see point 3 for the train-repair facility)

This features the infamous photo supposed to be a US death/internment camp.
It is actually
a prison camp... in North Korea. If more people got worked up about real
death camps instead
of imaginary ones, the world might be a better place.

Well, it goes on and on, its all out there if you want to read up on it.
Sorry but this particular
facet of Jaz's paranoia gets on my frigging nerves and I'm pissed off that
he's clogging up valuable
album space with boring songs about it. If it had been a great song, I
wouldn't have minded so much.

n


On 28 March 2012 23:08, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:


> Ever cheerful Jaz.

>

> Thing is, he laughs alot too!

> A very interesting man - I'm glad he's wrong most of the time!

>

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Subject: Re: [kj] Track-by-track: Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman talks
        MMXII
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Well done neil!



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Heh well said.
Jaz is an intelligent man so I find it slightly - what's the word -
mystifying? - that
he believes this Fema Camp nonsense. The fact is, if you go on
YouTube/Google/whatever,
as Jaz urges, you can swiftly discover how the whole thing is a crock of
shit.
The Fema Camp conspiracy theory is one of the more interesting ones in that,
as
with the fake moon landing conspiracy, the effect seems to be that the
bigger and more
rediculous the lie is, the more people seem willing to believe it.
Of course, when the conspiracy started they were Clinton death camps, then
Bush death
camps, now they are Obama death camps. Funny how all these administrations
agreed on
one thing - we really need lots of death camps!
And yet no matter how secret these places are meant to be, people can just
drive around,
film them, put up videos on YouTube and get away with it. Spooky.

The video I posted earlier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

is well known, its 17 years old and shows an old train-repair facility which
is apparently in
the process of being turned into a new Auschwitz. Listen to the commentary -
along the lines of
"This is a big building, it could be used to process prisoners" - and try to
keep a straight face.
The video was shot by this woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Thompson_(attorney)

who is, surprise surprise, a bit unhinged. She was disowned by the US
militia movement
because they thought she was too extreme (she planned an armed march on
Washington
to put senators on trial for treason).

Glenn Beck, of all people, actually debunked the whole thing here - guess
what? It actually
is a train-repair facility.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513024,00.html

Popular Mechanics also have their own page on it

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

(see point 3 for the train-repair facility)

This features the infamous photo supposed to be a US death/internment camp.
It is actually
a prison camp... in North Korea. If more people got worked up about real
death camps instead
of imaginary ones, the world might be a better place.

Well, it goes on and on, its all out there if you want to read up on it.
Sorry but this particular
facet of Jaz's paranoia gets on my frigging nerves and I'm pissed off that
he's clogging up valuable
album space with boring songs about it. If it had been a great song, I
wouldn't have minded so much.

n



On 28 March 2012 23:08, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

Ever cheerful Jaz.



Thing is, he laughs alot too!

A very interesting man - I'm glad he's wrong most of the time!



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