[kj] How I Love ...

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Yes, saw it last it; it fuckin' blows! Obscenities, Filth, & Various Regressive Notions.
 
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 From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <gathering at misera.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:48 PM
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I’m gonna to – eventually – look into this cos it’s too important not to know, as you say finding the right source is the hard part… 
 
Oh and not really on topic, but did anyone else see this:
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084971/Hong-Kongs-cage-homes-Tens-thousands-living-6ft-2ft-rabbit-hutches.html
 
 
From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012 12:08 p.m.
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] How I Love ...
 
Complete nonsense. These numbers are not only made up, but they don't even make logical sense. Western "historians" have been completly let off the hook on USSR and 
China. No historical evidence is required--only made up numbers, and/or numbers that include deaths from old age, etc. 
The origins of most of this fiction is in the far right--e.g. a Ukranian Nazi supporter who falsified older photos to make them appear to be from a famine during the 30.
If you want a good source on Soviet historiography, anything by J. Arch Getty is good. 
If you want sources from a US researcher who is fluent in Russian and is one of the only people to study the archives, see webpage of Grover Furr. THere is also
a book by someone named Thurston that's supposed to be pretty accurate.
Don't have any names for sources on China (they started making that up more recently) except for books by westerners who LIVED IN CHINA during the socialist period
(Fanshen by William Hinton, an agriculturalist, and "Away With All Pest" by an English doctor, and another book by Edgar Snow are the classics).
 

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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:26:30 +1300
Subject: Re: [kj] How I Love ...
Greg I’m interested to know your take on the research claiming 38 to 76 million Chinese citizens were killed by their own govt in the 20th century, outstripping the number of deaths in all wars that century…by which I’d assume the current situation looks like significant progress...?
 
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM
 
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia. 
Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1. 
In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it. 
 
 
 
From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012 3:36 a.m.
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] How I Love ...
 
That's Chinese capitalism for ya!
 

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:36:47 -0500
From: madanistan at gmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] How I Love ...
This morning, I heard a report on NPR (National Public Radio) stating that in China, "income inequality is staggering, corruption is systemic and protests occur on a daily basis." 
Hmm ... who does that remind me of? 
Here's a hint:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYjkdwEadOU

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