[kj] KJ: Anti-Gay Rock Band

andrew scott brandymoth at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Feb 9 10:13:15 EST 2012


"Allowing Children to attend the concert".  I also can't see what relevance this has to the rest of the rant.  Are they suggesting that there will be some form of Nazi speech by Jaz where he denounces any kind of deviancy or non-white race or maybe that there will be a totally immoral heterosexual orgy or sexually related material going on.  The music & atmosphere must be powerful indeed to pollute the tender innocent minds of our youth.  Me, for one, I will be bringing old Teddy to growl along!!

 
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I get really tired of gay groups using the "gay thing" as a tool to stir it up.
Highlighting sexuality as a difference in order to say that they are not different. Durrrrr!!! Fucking hypocrisy.

Like certain black groups, white groups, religious groups. Add to the list.

Fuck it. We live in a bigger, smarter more socially aware society where my kids don't care about creed, colour, gender, abilities/disabilities.
My kids are far more accepting and informed than I ever was. they don't have anything like the hangups we all had. They just GET ON WITH IT! Sure they do the "you're gay thing". Like people do the "You're fat" "Your bald" thing to me! Offensive? Depending on the situation. You can be over sensitive. Yes these words can cause offence but I think we all know when to use them and when not to.

There will always be a section of society that is anti-this, anti-that. I think that people are generally far more tolerant these days.

Peter Tatchell is a boring self publicist who is a professional homosexual in my opinion. Get with it man! I admire him for certyain things but he is rather tiresome.
Dragging up some stupid bollocks from 30 years ago.

Rant over.

Back in box!



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On 08/02/2012 17:19, Phillipps, Marc wrote:
I think some of this may be a case of looking back to the past with the mindset of today (if you see what I mean)
Back in the early/mid eighties ?fag? ?queer? etc didn?t have quite the same meaning as they do these days, they were still bloody stupid things to say though
Exactly. Lots of people flippantly used those words in the 80s. Even me, as a closet queer. Times have changed, I like to think most people have grown up about such matters having realised that those words actually cause offence.

On 08/02/2012 22:11, Mike Cooper wrote: Wufter? I have not heard that expression in.... well 25 years. Made me laugh I have to be honest.
Heh - I call my dog that sometimes, as a term of endearment. Woofter! But only because he woofs.
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This is fuckin hilarious, I am spinning round on the floor here!!!!? hhahahahahha!!? Of course I remember these, I think the stuff about Boy George etc was in Zigzag interview which I used to get.? I also vaguely remember him saying that lot of black music should be eliminated too.? What a farce!? Those activists are just turning themselves into a laughing stock & inviting more homophobic abuse & backlashes.? Get ready for the battle "boys in bondage"!!!!

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This is without doubt the funniest thing I've heard yet!? Have the gay times run out of things to say or something? Blackadder - Do you know what Irony is BaldrickBaldrick - Yeah it's like bronzy and goldy except it's made of iron The St Paul's Cathedral clip is at the beginning of this.? It's with reference to the state of music at that time. Jees! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXyA2GVcvkQ

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Well, there is that one interview at St. Paul's Cathedral circa FIRE DANCES wherein he days say "faggots and male slags" or something. Still .... that? WAS a long time ago.

Alex in NYC

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:Jaz said a lot of stupid things in the 80's but I'm not sure it is accurate that "unapologetic homophobia has been a driving force in their musical career."

Interesting. I have to wonder if this is some kind of PR subterfuge in search of publicity for the shows and album. Everything quoted is from 25 or more years ago.

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/anti-gay-rock-band-perform-london
Anti-gay rock band to perform in LondonHomophobic post-punk rock band Killing Joke returns to the London concert scene08 February 2012 | By Matthias PauwelsKilling Joke, the English band which once said it wants to ?gas? gays, is to perform around the UK and is allowing children to attend the concert.
Veteran human rights activist Peter Tatchell, who has spearheaded the campaign against anti-gay ?murder? music, has called for the gig at The Roundhouse in Camden, north London on 8 March to be cancelled.
The group, infamous for its anti-gay slurs and anti-zionist remarks, described openly gay UK pop star Boy George in 1984 as ?fag music?, with front-man Jaz Coleman adding ?I?d have them all rounded up and shoved in a gas chamber.?
Spanning four decades of punk rock with a star-studded following including Morrissey and Foo Fighter Dave Grohl, Killing Joke is no stranger to controversy. The band?s unapologetic homophobia has been a constant driving force in their musical career.
In a 1985 interview with Melody Maker magazine, the group reiterated its belief that ?there are still members of this species who should be wiped out.?
The rebellious rockers, aware of their own controversial image, have claimed to feed off the criticism they receive. However, Killing Joke?s founding front-man Jaz Coleman has always condemned the ?image of thuggery and aggression perpetuated by certain sections of the media which tends to overshadow the band?s music.?
In 1980 the group made headlines when a promotional poster for their debut album featured a priest walking among rows of soldiers offering Fascist salutes.
Tatchell told Gay Star News: ?The Roundhouse is acting in defiance of its own equality policies by hosting Killing Joke. The band has crossed the line with its extreme prejudice. Unless they apologize, The Roundhouse should cancel their booking.?
GSN repeatedly contacted The Roundhouse to ask for their views but they are yet to comment.
Killing Joke?s London concert is part of the band?s UK tour which will take in Exeter, Bristol, Norwich, Manchester, Sheffield, Glasgow, Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Portsmouth and Oxford. They will release their new studio album MMXII, on 2 April.
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I had the impression that Jaz's 'faggots' comment in the 80s was him trying to sound like John Lydon who - or so I believe - said similar things, about how pop music was all about the gay market.

This doesn't excuse Jaz's comments. But what might excuse them is that it was nearly 30 years ago, he was a little over 20 years old, and we've all said stuff in the past that we wouldn't agree with now.

My great uncle put probably hundreds of thousands to their deaths at Auschwitz. But he was about 22 years old for god's sake. He didn't even mean it.


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This is without doubt the funniest thing I've heard yet!? Have the gay times run out of things to say or something?

Blackadder - Do you know what Irony is Baldrick
Baldrick - Yeah it's like bronzy and goldy except it's made of iron

The St Paul's Cathedral clip is at the beginning of this.? It's with reference to the state of music at that time. Jees!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXyA2GVcvkQ

Chris

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To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:57:13 -0500
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ = Anti-Gay Rock Band? This is a new wrinkle...


Well, there is that one interview at St. Paul's Cathedral circa FIRE DANCES wherein he days say "faggots and male slags" or something. Still .... that? WAS a long time ago.

Alex in NYC

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:Jaz said a lot of stupid things in the 80's but I'm not sure it is accurate that "unapologetic homophobia has been a driving force in their musical career."

Interesting. I have to wonder if this is some kind of PR subterfuge in search of publicity for the shows and album. Everything quoted is from 25 or more years ago.

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/anti-gay-rock-band-perform-london
Anti-gay rock band to perform in LondonHomophobic post-punk rock band Killing Joke returns to the London concert scene08 February 2012 | By Matthias PauwelsKilling Joke, the English band which once said it wants to ?gas? gays, is to perform around the UK and is allowing children to attend the concert.
Veteran human rights activist Peter Tatchell, who has spearheaded the campaign against anti-gay ?murder? music, has called for the gig at The Roundhouse in Camden, north London on 8 March to be cancelled.
The group, infamous for its anti-gay slurs and anti-zionist remarks, described openly gay UK pop star Boy George in 1984 as ?fag music?, with front-man Jaz Coleman adding ?I?d have them all rounded up and shoved in a gas chamber.?
Spanning four decades of punk rock with a star-studded following including Morrissey and Foo Fighter Dave Grohl, Killing Joke is no stranger to controversy. The band?s unapologetic homophobia has been a constant driving force in their musical career.
In a 1985 interview with Melody Maker magazine, the group reiterated its belief that ?there are still members of this species who should be wiped out.?
The rebellious rockers, aware of their own controversial image, have claimed to feed off the criticism they receive. However, Killing Joke?s founding front-man Jaz Coleman has always condemned the ?image of thuggery and aggression perpetuated by certain sections of the media which tends to overshadow the band?s music.?
In 1980 the group made headlines when a promotional poster for their debut album featured a priest walking among rows of soldiers offering Fascist salutes.
Tatchell told Gay Star News: ?The Roundhouse is acting in defiance of its own equality policies by hosting Killing Joke. The band has crossed the line with its extreme prejudice. Unless they apologize, The Roundhouse should cancel their booking.?
GSN repeatedly contacted The Roundhouse to ask for their views but they are yet to comment.
Killing Joke?s London concert is part of the band?s UK tour which will take in Exeter, Bristol, Norwich, Manchester, Sheffield, Glasgow, Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Portsmouth and Oxford. They will release their new studio album MMXII, on 2 April.
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I retract my last e-mail. Auschwitz wasn't funny. Sorry.

(You see, you can even regret saying things 15 seconds later, never mind 30 years).



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I had the impression that Jaz's 'faggots' comment in the 80s was him trying to sound like John Lydon who - or so I believe - said similar things, about how pop music was all about the gay market.

This doesn't excuse Jaz's comments. But what might excuse them is that it was nearly 30 years ago, he was a little over 20 years old, and we've all said stuff in the past that we wouldn't agree with now.

My great uncle put probably hundreds of thousands to their deaths at Auschwitz. But he was about 22 years old for god's sake. He didn't even mean it.


From: laughingchris at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:35:02 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ = Anti-Gay Rock Band? This is a new wrinkle...







This is without doubt the funniest thing I've heard yet!? Have the gay times run out of things to say or something?

Blackadder - Do you know what Irony is Baldrick
Baldrick - Yeah it's like bronzy and goldy except it's made of iron

The St Paul's Cathedral clip is at the beginning of this.? It's with reference to the state of music at that time. Jees!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXyA2GVcvkQ

Chris

From: vassifer at earthlink.net
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:57:13 -0500
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ = Anti-Gay Rock Band? This is a new wrinkle...


Well, there is that one interview at St. Paul's Cathedral circa FIRE DANCES wherein he days say "faggots and male slags" or something. Still .... that? WAS a long time ago.

Alex in NYC

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:Jaz said a lot of stupid things in the 80's but I'm not sure it is accurate that "unapologetic homophobia has been a driving force in their musical career."

Interesting. I have to wonder if this is some kind of PR subterfuge in search of publicity for the shows and album. Everything quoted is from 25 or more years ago.

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/anti-gay-rock-band-perform-london
Anti-gay rock band to perform in LondonHomophobic post-punk rock band Killing Joke returns to the London concert scene08 February 2012 | By Matthias PauwelsKilling Joke, the English band which once said it wants to ?gas? gays, is to perform around the UK and is allowing children to attend the concert.
Veteran human rights activist Peter Tatchell, who has spearheaded the campaign against anti-gay ?murder? music, has called for the gig at The Roundhouse in Camden, north London on 8 March to be cancelled.
The group, infamous for its anti-gay slurs and anti-zionist remarks, described openly gay UK pop star Boy George in 1984 as ?fag music?, with front-man Jaz Coleman adding ?I?d have them all rounded up and shoved in a gas chamber.?
Spanning four decades of punk rock with a star-studded following including Morrissey and Foo Fighter Dave Grohl, Killing Joke is no stranger to controversy. The band?s unapologetic homophobia has been a constant driving force in their musical career.
In a 1985 interview with Melody Maker magazine, the group reiterated its belief that ?there are still members of this species who should be wiped out.?
The rebellious rockers, aware of their own controversial image, have claimed to feed off the criticism they receive. However, Killing Joke?s founding front-man Jaz Coleman has always condemned the ?image of thuggery and aggression perpetuated by certain sections of the media which tends to overshadow the band?s music.?
In 1980 the group made headlines when a promotional poster for their debut album featured a priest walking among rows of soldiers offering Fascist salutes.
Tatchell told Gay Star News: ?The Roundhouse is acting in defiance of its own equality policies by hosting Killing Joke. The band has crossed the line with its extreme prejudice. Unless they apologize, The Roundhouse should cancel their booking.?
GSN repeatedly contacted The Roundhouse to ask for their views but they are yet to comment.
Killing Joke?s London concert is part of the band?s UK tour which will take in Exeter, Bristol, Norwich, Manchester, Sheffield, Glasgow, Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Portsmouth and Oxford. They will release their new studio album MMXII, on 2 April.
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On 08/02/2012 17:19, Phillipps, Marc wrote:

>

> I think some of this may be a case of looking back to the past with

> the mindset of today (if you see what I mean)

>

> Back in the early/mid eighties "fag" "queer" etc didn't have quite the

> same meaning as they do these days, they were still bloody stupid

> things to say though

>

Exactly.? Lots of people flippantly used those words in the 80s.? Even
me, as a closet queer.? Times have changed, I like to think most people
have grown up about such matters having realised that those words
actually cause offence.

On 08/02/2012 22:11, Mike Cooper wrote:

> Wufter?? I have not heard that expression in.... well 25 years.? Made

> me laugh I have to be honest.


Heh - I call my dog that sometimes, as a term of endearment.? Woofter!?
But only because he woofs.
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