[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

[Per G Olsson]

	In the interest of baby dolphins my line of reasoning stops here even though I could point out that Youth is the only of the four who has any "presence" on the net, that the last four "Offical statements" posted were between 03:31 and 04:27 AM NY time, that all four members can't have agreed on the messages about Jaz going AWOL - etc.
	I know that you will never shift your position (unless someone else does), so let's say that you've won the "argument".
	Have a nice day.

	/Per

22 aug 2012 kl. 16.49 skrev F Luke:


> Its quite a weak argument to make in saying that BPF cant be writing the Official statements because he lives in the U.S.A and the time difference (Considering that the internet is a 24 hour non stop continuing entity), you then go on to making an even weaker argument as to why Geordie cannot be writing the Official statements by giving no reason at all !!!!!!!

>    A Killing Joke official statement  is a statement that all the band agree upon .

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> From: Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com

> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:38:55 +0200

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> 	I can't see which of the four members who should have written the statements.

> 	Jaz? Big no-no

> 	Youth? Nope, his own messages have a completely different tone (& spelling)

> 	Big Paul? Clocking in form the US at weird hours of the day?

> 	Geordie???

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> 	No, they are written by management, hopefully in consultation with (some parts of) KJ.

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> 	/Per

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> 22 aug 2012 kl. 16.21 skrev F Luke:

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> 

> Erm , A Statement by the Management IS an Official statement .

> One which contains the sentence " Part of what makes this band what it is is the chaos that surrounds us all and we are unpredictable at best." , which suggests that a band member is actually writing the official statements and not the management, but never the less, an official statement is an official statement and an official statement would nt be released unless it was a statement that the whole band agreed upon, thats why Jazs  statement has caused so many problems .

>   They are all on the bands Facebook page , if you would like to have a look

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> From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:09:02 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> I would like to see these official statements by the BAND as opposed to management where are they ?

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> From: fluke1 at live.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:01:11 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> That is incorrect, there have been numerous official statements by the band on Facebook in the last few weeks alone.

> I wouldnt have posted anything, I would have told Jaz to go and discuss his opinion about the tour with the other band members and then post an official statement through the proper channels .

> From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:30:25 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> It is up to the band but they are clearly not interested or don't have the time.

> Cormac did not put himself up for the position he was asked as a favour.

> In the circumstances i am sure we would all do the same

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> From: fluke1 at live.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:26:01 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> Jaz isnt Killing Joke, its up to the band to issue statements through the proper channels .

> Cormac needs to apply for the position of Killing Jokes manager or P.R before he makes statements on their behalf.

> KJ are quite capable of posting their own messages on Facebook, so its irrelevant whether Jaz has any comprehension of it or not.

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> From: louiecipher33 at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:19:17 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> 

> A drunken private rant ?

> I thought Jaz had already given up drink by the time he asked for the statement to be issued.

> Not Cormac's fault if Jaz has no comprehension of facebook

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> From: fluke1 at live.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:16:12 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> No, they are two separate  issues , updating the Website and issuing messages are two separate things.

> My point was that if KJ wanted to cancel their tour , they can announce it in an official capacity after it being agreed on by all of them (KJ) , not after Jaz had a drunken private rant with someone .

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> From: Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com

> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:06:35 +0200

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> Regarding #3)

> No, they're not - nor are their "management".

> Down by the river and the Cult/Mission/KJ Tour (still listed on the official KJ site, along with the Metropolis $$$gig & the gig cancelled in Sweden) are proof of this.

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> /Per

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> 22 aug 2012 kl. 14.54 skrev F Luke:

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> 1. I didnt say that it was cormacs fault .

> 2. I dont believe that Jaz asked Cormac to distribute the message .

> 3 . KJ are quite capable of issuing their own messages .

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> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:31:46 +0100

> From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> Of course it's Cormac's fault! He'll think twice next time Jaz gives him messages to distribute...

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> From: F Luke <fluke1 at live.co.uk>

> To: "gathering at misera.net" <gathering at misera.net> 

> Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012, 8:44

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> That is quite an exaggeration, Cormac hasnt been left to die .

> Maybe in future he should wait for KJ to make an official statement, rather than trying to speak on their behalf .

> Jaz has been left to pick up the pieces which were the result of Cormacs posts .

> Cormac should accept some of the blame for the whole fiasco , even so, Jaz didnt make any accusations or name anyone.

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> From: fatpotanga at gmail.com

> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:40:20 +0100

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 110, Issue 60

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> Again, that's exactly how I feel.

> I couldn't care less about the 'chaos surrounds us get on with it' thing - we all know the unpredictability of the beast.

> It's the ridiculous cover up & such painfully embarrassing lies.

> Jaz being dressed as a woman & shoved on the lifeboat while pushing Cormac overboard to distract the sharks has left a very sour taste 

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> On 15 Aug 2012, at 23:44, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:

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> No offence taken.  Here's my viewpoint:

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> Yes, it would be nice if you could rely on KJ to show up when they say they will.  However, you can't.

>  

> But that's not the thing that really gets me - which is the utterly lame excuses, and the idea that somehow it's just like that, 'cos it's Killing Joke, y'know.

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