[kj] Band funding

[Brendan Quinn]

as if people need to be reminded of his stunning brilliance.

 

We could all do with  More of that Jaz <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWXEZaguyo> 

 

=)

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 11:34 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Band funding

 

 

That is a strange thing about Jaz .... he's evidently accomplished many things and won myriad accolades, but he always sounds somewhat defensive about his achievements and continually brings them up -- as if people need to be reminded of his stunning brilliance.

 

 

Alex in NYC

 

 

On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:52 AM, Brendan Quinn wrote:





Re Jaz’s involvement, as far as I understand (from internet trawlings), his involvement is limited to influencing / persuading Hinewehi Mohi (the singer he worked with on the album ‘Oceania’ which has apparently seen a sequel done since) to sing the pre-existing Maori verses at some game in the 1999 Rugby World Cup. So he didn’t write or change anything, but he influenced this artist he worked with to perform it with the Maori verses in front of possibly the largest audience ever. Which is still a great story IMO, just not if he’s embellishing it.

 

This link has what I think is close to the truth, minus the anti-Jaz rant (it’s about the 5th post) – oh and it appears that the Wiki article has since been changed cos I can’t find the below quotes in it.

 

I might have even sung the Maori version when I was in school, but buggered if I know cos I never paid any attention.

 

http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6 <http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3501&start=60> &t=3501&start=60

 

“From wikipedia: "Coleman has studied and played music from many cultures, and is a multi-instrumentalist. He studied Arabic music at the Cairo Conservatoire and has a passion for Czech folk music and Māori music, among others. One of his Māori pieces is the "Second Symphony for Māori Voice and Orchestra".[1] He was involved in adding a verse in the Māori language to the New Zealand national anthem; it was sung by Māori singer Hinewehi Mohi at the 1999 Rugby World Cup match, and after some controversy the verse was officially added."

Jaz Coleman helped to rewrite my countries national anthem. Wicked.”

 

No he didn't.

I know some people who had personal dealings with Jaz – they didn’t enjoy the experience. They called him megalomaniac amongst other things. I’ve always thought that it was just down to a bad experience maybe, and that he might be tough to work with. But re-writing the NZ National anthem! That’s crazy talk and makes me think that they were spot on.

The Maori version of the anthem was written in 1878 (or 1879) – and was taught reasonably widely, especially after the Maori Language Act in 1987. But it wasn’t used at sporting events. We sung it at school in the early 80’s. And it was sung at my university graduation in the 90’s.

Hinewehi Mohi decided to sing the verses in Maori as well as English at the world cup in 1999. This may have been at Jazzers encouragement – but you’d have to ask Hinewehi about that. But there wasn’t anything ‘new’ about this apart from its context. 

And the debate was around whether it should be ‘officially’ sung in both languages – not whether this ‘new’ version should be official, Maori was already an official language and the version that was sung had already existed for 120 years. 

At the time the Language commission decided it would a good idea in terms of promoting the learning of Maori to encourage people to learn & sing both. And sporting groups were encouraged to have both languages sung especially if their events were being televised. There is still no official protocol about what version should be sung and where, the is certainly no law (apart from the Treaty of Waitangi Act, and the Maori Language Act which both predate Jaz from even being in the country) but in most cases people choose to sing both language versions because it sounds better and is more meaningful for them - nobody is compelled to do it.

So when he says this to the BBC

 

“My favourite song is the New Zealand national anthem, in which I take a credit for changing it from English into the native Maori tongue.”

 

He’s just talking absolute crap. What a dick.

 

 

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jon chapman
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 8:56 p.m.
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Band funding

 

Interesting thing about the nz national anthem....just how much influence did Jaz really have on this ???....i've heard it mentioned (by him) alot.

I pledge not to buy anything from Killing Joke until I get the chance to buy a concert ticket for a gig in NZ or Aussie, an official apology for buggering up our national anthem, and my own plot of semi-barren land on one of the TWO VILLAGES, which I plan to plant with a certain kind of hemp…which I’m anticipating will be greatly enhanced in the post-apocalyptic radioactive atmosphere of the future.

 

Not really into live albums tbh. XXV was cool. Soundgarden Live on I5 was cool. Any live Porcupine Tree is great.

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 1:29 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Band funding

 


> ...   a..band who funded it's last album by selling shares. Would you



> buy shares in KJ?


 

Brendan can set up the IPO with say, oh, 7 million shares/cds, Goldman Sachs can underwrite the whole thing and I'll invent the requisite hedge-funds n' all the credit-default swaps and all the derivatives. We'll clean up huge! Everyone wanna see a bubble? The cd prices will reach $419.99/disc and vinyl records $1,643 each, payable in gold! After the cd drops, who knows... Killing Joke will be too big to fail, for once!

Once the prices peak at about $528disc/$2,137vinyl I'll set up the short-sale; we'll clean up again!! We'll become so rich I think we can buy the band itself at that point and send them around every day to different shareholders' houses and have them play in the living room or in the parlor after dinner and cigars.

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

 

From: Brian Whitehead <bawhitehead at gmail.com>
To: Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:16 AM
Subject: [kj] Band funding


Talking about the Pledge funding thing I came across this about a German band who funded it's last album by selling shares.
Would you buy shares in KJ? Would Jaz see this as ethically wrong?

"The German band Angelica Express financed its last album by selling “shares” to fans.

They issued 500 “shares” at 50 Euros each (which sold out in record time and came with a detailed plan of how the money would be spent). With those 25,000 Euros, the band financed the recording of their album, the album artwork, the manufacture of the actual CDs, and the accompanying promotion.

Not only do the people who signed up for the shares get the new album but in return they also receive 80% of the earnings."

Brian.


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