[kj] Band funding

[Brendan Quinn]

Re Jaz’s involvement, as far as I understand (from internet trawlings), his
involvement is limited to influencing / persuading Hinewehi Mohi (the singer
he worked with on the album ‘Oceania’ which has apparently seen a sequel
done since) to sing the pre-existing Maori verses at some game in the 1999
Rugby World Cup. So he didn’t write or change anything, but he influenced
this artist he worked with to perform it with the Maori verses in front of
possibly the largest audience ever. Which is still a great story IMO, just
not if he’s embellishing it. 

 

This link has what I think is close to the truth, minus the anti-Jaz rant
(it’s about the 5th post) – oh and it appears that the Wiki article has
since been changed cos I can’t find the below quotes in it.

 

I might have even sung the Maori version when I was in school, but buggered
if I know cos I never paid any attention. 

 

http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6
<http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3501&start=60>
&t=3501&start=60

 

“From wikipedia: "Coleman has studied and played music from many cultures,
and is a multi-instrumentalist. He studied Arabic music at the Cairo
Conservatoire and has a passion for Czech folk music and Māori music, among
others. One of his Māori pieces is the "Second Symphony for Māori Voice and
Orchestra".[1] He was involved in adding a verse in the Māori language to
the New Zealand national anthem; it was sung by Māori singer Hinewehi Mohi
at the 1999 Rugby World Cup match, and after some controversy the verse was
officially added."

Jaz Coleman helped to rewrite my countries national anthem. Wicked.”

 

No he didn't.

I know some people who had personal dealings with Jaz – they didn’t enjoy
the experience. They called him megalomaniac amongst other things. I’ve
always thought that it was just down to a bad experience maybe, and that he
might be tough to work with. But re-writing the NZ National anthem! That’s
crazy talk and makes me think that they were spot on.

The Maori version of the anthem was written in 1878 (or 1879) – and was
taught reasonably widely, especially after the Maori Language Act in 1987.
But it wasn’t used at sporting events. We sung it at school in the early
80’s. And it was sung at my university graduation in the 90’s.

Hinewehi Mohi decided to sing the verses in Maori as well as English at the
world cup in 1999. This may have been at Jazzers encouragement – but you’d
have to ask Hinewehi about that. But there wasn’t anything ‘new’ about this
apart from its context. 

And the debate was around whether it should be ‘officially’ sung in both
languages – not whether this ‘new’ version should be official, Maori was
already an official language and the version that was sung had already
existed for 120 years. 

At the time the Language commission decided it would a good idea in terms of
promoting the learning of Maori to encourage people to learn & sing both.
And sporting groups were encouraged to have both languages sung especially
if their events were being televised. There is still no official protocol
about what version should be sung and where, the is certainly no law (apart
from the Treaty of Waitangi Act, and the Maori Language Act which both
predate Jaz from even being in the country) but in most cases people choose
to sing both language versions because it sounds better and is more
meaningful for them - nobody is compelled to do it.

So when he says this to the BBC

 

“My favourite song is the New Zealand national anthem, in which I take a
credit for changing it from English into the native Maori tongue.”

 

He’s just talking absolute crap. What a dick.

 

 

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of jon chapman
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 8:56 p.m.
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Band funding

 

Interesting thing about the nz national anthem....just how much influence
did Jaz really have on this ???....i've heard it mentioned (by him) alot.

I pledge not to buy anything from Killing Joke until I get the chance to buy
a concert ticket for a gig in NZ or Aussie, an official apology for
buggering up our national anthem, and my own plot of semi-barren land on one
of the TWO VILLAGES, which I plan to plant with a certain kind of hemp…which
I’m anticipating will be greatly enhanced in the post-apocalyptic
radioactive atmosphere of the future.

 

Not really into live albums tbh. XXV was cool. Soundgarden Live on I5 was
cool. Any live Porcupine Tree is great.

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 1:29 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Band funding

 


> ...   a..band who funded it's last album by selling shares. Would you 



> buy shares in KJ? 


 

Brendan can set up the IPO with say, oh, 7 million shares/cds, Goldman Sachs
can underwrite the whole thing and I'll invent the requisite hedge-funds n'
all the credit-default swaps and all the derivatives. We'll clean up huge!
Everyone wanna see a bubble? The cd prices will reach $419.99/disc and vinyl
records $1,643 each, payable in gold! After the cd drops, who knows...
Killing Joke will be too big to fail, for once!

Once the prices peak at about $528disc/$2,137vinyl I'll set up the
short-sale; we'll clean up again!! We'll become so rich I think we can buy
the band itself at that point and send them around every day to different
shareholders' houses and have them play in the living room or in the parlor
after dinner and cigars. 

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

 

From: Brian Whitehead <bawhitehead at gmail.com>
To: Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:16 AM
Subject: [kj] Band funding


Talking about the Pledge funding thing I came across this about a German
band who funded it's last album by selling shares.
Would you buy shares in KJ? Would Jaz see this as ethically wrong?

"The German band Angelica Express financed its last album by selling
“shares” to fans. 

They issued 500 “shares” at 50 Euros each (which sold out in record time and
came with a detailed plan of how the money would be spent). With those
25,000 Euros, the band financed the recording of their album, the album
artwork, the manufacture of the actual CDs, and the accompanying promotion.

Not only do the people who signed up for the shares get the new album but in
return they also receive 80% of the earnings."

Brian. 


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