[kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

Alex Smith vassifer at earthlink.net
Fri May 20 13:27:18 EDT 2011



That's just whistleheaded horsehockey. Anyone who doesn't have ten gallons of water-buffalo dung in their ears knows that NIGHTTIME shits all over HOSANNAS from A GREAT, BROWN, SPLATTERY HEIGHT.

Alex in NYC


-----Original Message-----

>From: Steve Hackett <thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk>

>Sent: May 20, 2011 1:13 PM

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>Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

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>Sooo...you acknowledge defeat..... Hosannas > nightime

>----- Original Message -----

>From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

><gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 2:08 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

>

>

>

>Secondly, I'm fleetingly self-aware enough to realize that I'm a

>cranky bastard because I'm up too early and haven't had any breakfast.

>Apologies for my needless provocation and accompanying time/bandwidth-

>wasting.

>

>Alex in NYC

>

>

>On May 20, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Alexander Smith wrote:

>

>>

>> "I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature."

>>

>> You don't find that to be a pompous statement?

>>

>> LET'S DROP IT!!!

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>

>>> I really don't think posting this initially was enough for you to

>>> think I was being retaliatory and pompous, try reading it again and

>>> explain how you seemed to get the wrong end of the stick?

>>>

>>> "Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't think the

>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop Nighttime album

>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here regularly how

>>> much you love it.

>>>

>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for "Hosannas" than

>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would disagree."

>>>

>>> On 20 May 2011 13:48, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> ....yet fail to recognize the equally retaliatory and pompous nature of

>>>> your

>>>> own response.

>>>>

>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>

>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature.

>>>>>

>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:36, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking for

>>>>>> many

>>>>>> years with rarely posting.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that there's

>>>>>> too

>>>>>> much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda the

>>>>>> nature

>>>>>> of the beast.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of opinion,

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> no

>>>>>> reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are "wrong" for

>>>>>> liking

>>>>>> what we like. There is no end to that argument.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express it

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> add

>>>>>> to the conversation instead of lurking?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column

>>>>>>> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation, no

>>>>>>> structure.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning something?

>>>>>>> What

>>>>>>> is the sarcasm aimed at?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of terminology,

>>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win something?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely

>>>>>>>>> posting.

>>>>>>>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an email

>>>>>>>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a

>>>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>>> website in my opinion.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics etc,

>>>>>>>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is entirely

>>>>>>>>>> flotsam,

>>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token, being

>>>>>>>>>> an

>>>>>>>>>> open

>>>>>>>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You would

>>>>>>>>>> prefer

>>>>>>>>>> maybe

>>>>>>>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party line?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is dross

>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I would

>>>>>>>>>>> term

>>>>>>>>>>> "aggressors". Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading

>>>>>>>>>>> bitching

>>>>>>>>>>> on here.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right to

>>>>>>>>>>>> bitch

>>>>>>>>>>>> about

>>>>>>>>>>>> it,

>>>>>>>>>>>> then.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the only

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting said

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspersion.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute enough

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-establish

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering used

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influx

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before? Just saying. Length and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on Hosannas in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also built

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition. Yours is not the only opinion on here,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprisingly

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed out,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> songs

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only silver

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lining

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's hoping he

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after they

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WEBSITE COMING SOON

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> European Dates

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 Jun Germany Leipzig Wave Gotik Treffen Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Jul Denmark Roskilde Festival Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 Jul UK Knebworth Sonisphere Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 Jul Finland Helsinki Tuska Open Air Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31 Jul Holland Utrecht Summer Darknes Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke News

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below we’ve got plenty of news for you from Killing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open that box we’re really pleased to bring you

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the start of the year we announced a deal with

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm/Universal

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brand new studio album, which we’ll announce details

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’re really excited to be back working with the label

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course of the next year.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was great to see so many of you in London, Nottingham

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manchester,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at the Camden Crawl recently, for our big return to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrier

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> festival

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come soon as well.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’ve also got something very special to announce for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fans

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke live show. Following our show at the Royal Festival

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hall,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompanied by stunning visuals designed by Mr. Mike

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coles,

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we’ll

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce in early June.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The band are already working on the new album and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparations

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underway for our European Tour starting in June which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full summer of festivals, taking in Roskilde and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonisphere

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however with great regret that Killing Joke have

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancel the upcoming US dates due to health issues within

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be back to the States very soon and appreciate all

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is going to be an incredible year for Killing Joke,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the future, and seeing you all at our shows.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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