[kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
Alex Smith
vassifer at earthlink.net
Fri May 20 13:27:18 EDT 2011
That's just whistleheaded horsehockey. Anyone who doesn't have ten gallons of water-buffalo dung in their ears knows that NIGHTTIME shits all over HOSANNAS from A GREAT, BROWN, SPLATTERY HEIGHT.
Alex in NYC
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>Sooo...you acknowledge defeat..... Hosannas > nightime
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>From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
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>Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 2:08 PM
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>
>
>
>Secondly, I'm fleetingly self-aware enough to realize that I'm a
>cranky bastard because I'm up too early and haven't had any breakfast.
>Apologies for my needless provocation and accompanying time/bandwidth-
>wasting.
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>On May 20, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Alexander Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> "I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature."
>>
>> You don't find that to be a pompous statement?
>>
>> LET'S DROP IT!!!
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>
>>> I really don't think posting this initially was enough for you to
>>> think I was being retaliatory and pompous, try reading it again and
>>> explain how you seemed to get the wrong end of the stick?
>>>
>>> "Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't think the
>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop Nighttime album
>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here regularly how
>>> much you love it.
>>>
>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for "Hosannas" than
>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would disagree."
>>>
>>> On 20 May 2011 13:48, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ....yet fail to recognize the equally retaliatory and pompous nature of
>>>> your
>>>> own response.
>>>>
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:36, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking for
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> years with rarely posting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that there's
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda the
>>>>>> nature
>>>>>> of the beast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of opinion,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are "wrong" for
>>>>>> liking
>>>>>> what we like. There is no end to that argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express it
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> add
>>>>>> to the conversation instead of lurking?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column
>>>>>>> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation, no
>>>>>>> structure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning something?
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>> is the sarcasm aimed at?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of terminology,
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win something?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely
>>>>>>>>> posting.
>>>>>>>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an email
>>>>>>>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a
>>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>>> website in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics etc,
>>>>>>>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is entirely
>>>>>>>>>> flotsam,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token, being
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You would
>>>>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party line?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is dross
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I would
>>>>>>>>>>> term
>>>>>>>>>>> "aggressors". Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading
>>>>>>>>>>> bitching
>>>>>>>>>>> on here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right to
>>>>>>>>>>>> bitch
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspersion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-establish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before? Just saying. Length and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on Hosannas in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition. Yours is not the only opinion on here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprisingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed out,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> songs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only silver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's hoping he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WEBSITE COMING SOON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> European Dates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jun Poland Warsaw Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 Jun Germany Leipzig Wave Gotik Treffen Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Jul Denmark Roskilde Festival Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 Jul UK Knebworth Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 Jul Finland Helsinki Tuska Open Air Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31 Jul Holland Utrecht Summer Darknes Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below we’ve got plenty of news for you from Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open that box we’re really pleased to bring you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘European
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> State’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month, our new single available on CD, 12” coloured
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download. The formats of the new single are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’ (edit)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘Kali Yuga’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘Ghosts Of Ladbroke Grove’ (Dub Mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. ‘European Super State’ (Dub Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Clive Goddard Extended mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Clive Goddard extended mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the start of the year we announced a deal with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm/Universal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brand new studio album, which we’ll announce details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’re really excited to be back working with the label
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dissent, and we’re also glad to announce they’ll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back catalogue which we will be repackaging and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course of the next year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was great to see so many of you in London, Nottingham
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manchester,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at the Camden Crawl recently, for our big return to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the full original line-up. As you may know, Jaz retired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island, Paul to New York, Geordie to Prague and Youth to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andulucia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release of ‘European Super State’ we’re all very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to a massive summer ahead. We’ll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come soon as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’ve also got something very special to announce for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke live show. Following our show at the Royal Festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hall,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompanied by stunning visuals designed by Mr. Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> genius and longtime Killing Joke collaborator, we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance will be released as the definitive Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have many ways to get hold of a copy, the details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we’ll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce in early June.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The band are already working on the new album and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underway for our European Tour starting in June which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full summer of festivals, taking in Roskilde and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonisphere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however with great regret that Killing Joke have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancel the upcoming US dates due to health issues within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be back to the States very soon and appreciate all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is going to be an incredible year for Killing Joke,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the future, and seeing you all at our shows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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