[kj] OT: Lydon, US v UK punk

[powens]

Am reading an Alex in NYC post about US v UK punk. On Groundhog Day.

Have.
Not.
The.
Words.

john-paul

On 2 February 2011 14:12, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:


>

> We've been over this too many times.

>

> Had there not been the Stooges, the Velvet Underground, the Modern Lovers,

> the MC5 and the Ramones (all Yanks), there would not have been a UK punk.

> Yes, British Punk evolved into an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THING, but one

> inarguably led to the other. Full stop.

>

> As much as I love Television, though, I never thought they were

> particularly "punk" (by any definition).  Art-rockers who dressed like

> junkies but played a brand of floridly ornate guitar rock that isn't any

> less masturbatory than the most gratuitous prog.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> On Feb 2, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Jim Harper wrote:

>

> I think it's obvious there was in NYC there was a creative vital and

> original musical movement happening in the late 70s. But much as I love

> Talking Heads, Blondie and the mighty Television, I have a really hard time

> connecting it with the UK punk movement. I don't know if he came to the UK,

> but in '76 Verlaine would probably have been burned at the stake...

>

> Just my thoughts...

>

> Jim.

>

> --- On *Wed, 2/2/11, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>* wrote:

>

>  Oh yes -- `cos Lydon's ALWAYS been ENTIRELY CORRECT and ACCURATE ABOUT

> ABSOLUTELY *EVERY*THING, hasn't he?

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>  On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:57 AM, Rob Moss wrote:

>

>  Quite right.

>

> Punk rock.

> America.

>

> Silly idea.

>

>

>

> On 2 Feb 2011, at 08:25, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com<http://uk.mc259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gasw30@hotmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

>  I'm not trying to fan the flames of this debate as I don't personally

> have an interest. However, I like history, so for the punk historians on the

> board, from today's '60 second' interview in the Metro:

>

> Q: If the Pistols hadn't existed, would punk have happened?

>

> *A: No. There's confusion about this from people who should know better.

> Whatever was happening in New York was being done by much older people than

> us who were interested in the poetry of Rimbaud or glam rock - which isn't

> where we were. Older acts claimed it came from them first, which isn't

> right.*

>

> Apart from that, he says he's releasing a book called Mr Rotten's

> Scrapbook, limited edition, 750 copies, £449 (that's not a typo!). He also

> says the butter adverts funded the PiL tours.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>  Bullshit!  *wink-wink* I mean, Brighter Than A Thousand Suns!

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