[kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

jon chapman jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk
Fri Sep 10 08:46:04 EDT 2010



aahh,but have you got the pakistani white label test pressing of Hosannas???



Absolute Dissent is far and away better than Hossanass.
As far as the selling I would put good money that it will out sell Hossannass. Not because it's a better album buy because of timing. Hossannass was a bit of a blurred, smoked out hungover. Kind of like Democracy.
Killing Joke is in vogue again. You can debate why.
I own two CDs and a single of hossannass
2 CDs and three singles and 1 pic disc of 2003
3 versions of democracy
3 versions of pandemonium with a bunch of Cd singles
Etc etc etc etc etc
Schmuck? Yes




On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:





I heard recently that Hosannas sold only 20,000 copies worldwide.


I bought 3 of them!!! Uk and Japanese CDs plus uk vinyl.


Think 2003 did 100k. But I don't think it's 5 times better!


This album will do ok though I think. Better distribution and a higher profile.

On 8 Sep 2010, at 19:29, n0153 jr <nomeanswhat at gmail.com> wrote:




I really do like Hosannas even more than I do like 2003... I never quite understood what most of you dislike about the album... also I do love Democracy as a whole.
I'm not one to love mindlessly whatever a band I like does, but KJ never, and I mean NEVER let me down.





On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:


Opinions about Hosannas Vs 2003 are very polarised on the Gathering, I think, and I've got a feeling that the new album will be the album to unite us more. It will be at least the second favourite for everyone out of the three albums, I reckon.







From: paulwady at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:24:59 +0100



Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

Hosanna's was rough. Rough to my ears, hysterical stuff. But still, the song Hosanna's and Tribal Antidote? Still play them joyously.

I have a confession to make. I did not like the new EP when I heard it on Youtube. Sounded like they were doing impressions of their old selves, as is kinda said by Peter below. But then I kept playing Endgame and the old magic was there. Something about the rasp of the guitars as it starts, and they come in after breaks in the song. I'm bouncing along to Jaz.

I think what we want is for the boys to come up with something new in the same genre/way as their most, well, KILLING ****ING JOKE ALBUMS. Killing Joke 2003, Firedancers, Empire Song era, Money is not our God style etc. Never know, it may be waiting in Absolute Dissent? Like I said in my last email. If they were Linkin Park it would be uniformly effective, predictable, functional product. But KJ is real stuff, so they will always be a bit hit and miss? Maybe they should be?












> From: Peter.Lamb at nottingham.edu.cn

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:14:42 +0800

> Subject: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

>

> Read some comments on you tube about Absolute Dissent/ Fresh Fever. One remembers a sense of feeling something like exhilaration and terror on listening to Empire Song way back then. Some of 2003 was very good but Hosannas is quite underwhelming. Some of the new stuff seems to borrow from some of the old riffs but they are the ones that have been done to death. They lack the dramatic structure of Revelations and Extremities for example.

>

> Best regards,

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> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:31:29 +1200 (NZST)

> From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

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> Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

>

> Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> album for some obscure reason.

>

> > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry. I was cranking 2003,

> > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> > liking what I've heard thus far.

> >

> > Alex in NYC

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> >

> > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> >

> >> Can of worms time!

> >>

> >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> >> strong albums.

> >>

> >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> >> it will nudge it.

> >>

> >> So I would say

> >>

> >> Absolute dissent

> >> 2003

> >> Hosannas

> >>

> >>

> >> But could change on any given day or mood!

> >>

> >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> >>> them.

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> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

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> Implant. Implosion maybe, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNqziN1aHIw

> Then again, all the?recent songs have been waayyy too long; it kills?the moment.

>

> ?

> ... ... ... ... ... ...

>

> [looking at the current?state of things..]

> ?

> 'Who has the fun..

> ? ..is it?always a man with a gun...?

> ??? Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:31:29 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

>

> Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

>

> Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> album for some obscure reason.

>

> > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry.? I was cranking 2003,

> > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> > liking what I've heard thus far.

> >

> > Alex in NYC

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> >

> > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> >

> >> Can of worms time!

> >>

> >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> >> strong albums.

> >>

> >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> >> it will nudge it.

> >>

> >> So I would say

> >>

> >> Absolute dissent

> >> 2003

> >> Hosannas

> >>

> >>

> >> But could change on any given day or mood!

> >>

> >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> >>> them.

> >>>

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> Kali Yuga.?

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> Wakey wakey, eggs n bakey

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> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:31:29 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

>

> Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

>

> Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> album for some obscure reason.

>

> > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry.? I was cranking 2003,

> > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> > liking what I've heard thus far.

> >

> > Alex in NYC

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> >

> > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> >

> >> Can of worms time!

> >>

> >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> >> strong albums.

> >>

> >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> >> it will nudge it.

> >>

> >> So I would say

> >>

> >> Absolute dissent

> >> 2003

> >> Hosannas

> >>

> >>

> >> But could change on any given day or mood!

> >>

> >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> >>> them.

> >>>

> >>> Pete

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> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

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> > ..since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

>

>

> Including the?latest material, or from PNDMNM to Hosannas...? ?

>

> ?

> ... ... ... ... ... ...

>

> [looking at the current?state of things..]

> ?

> 'Who has the fun..

> ? ..is it?always a man with a gun...?

> ??? Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:31:29 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

>

> Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

>

> Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> album for some obscure reason.

>

> > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry.? I was cranking 2003,

> > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> > liking what I've heard thus far.

> >

> > Alex in NYC

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> >

> > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> >

> >> Can of worms time!

> >>

> >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> >> strong albums.

> >>

> >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> >> it will nudge it.

> >>

> >> So I would say

> >>

> >> Absolute dissent

> >> 2003

> >> Hosannas

> >>

> >>

> >> But could change on any given day or mood!

> >>

> >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> >>> them.

> >>>

> >>> Pete

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> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

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> Well, as far as I'm concerned, both of those songs are essentially

> filler, so I doubt we're going to be able to reach a consensus.

>

> Still, hopes are high for the rest of AD.

>

> Alex in NYC.

>

> Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

>

> On Sep 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

>

> > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

> >

> > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> > album for some obscure reason.

> >

> >> I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry. I was cranking 2003,

> >> meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> >> material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> >> liking what I've heard thus far.

> >>

> >> Alex in NYC

> >>

> >> Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> >> way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> >>

> >> On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>> Can of worms time!

> >>>

> >>> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> >>> strong albums.

> >>>

> >>> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> >>> it will nudge it.

> >>>

> >>> So I would say

> >>>

> >>> Absolute dissent

> >>> 2003

> >>> Hosannas

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> But could change on any given day or mood!

> >>>

> >>> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> >>>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> >>>> them.

> >>>>

> >>>> Pete

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> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:12:03 +0100

> From: "Janean" <j at jlancaster.info>

> Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download

> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)'"

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> Thank you!

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of PHIL TOFIELD

> Sent: 03 September 2010 21:07

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download

>

>

>

> for those that missed it

>

>

>

> http://rapidshare.com/files/416896706/absolute_dissent.mp3.html

>

> On 3 September 2010 20:50, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

>

> Sorry bout that.

>

> Can't fix it till

>

> Monday as the track is on my work pc.

>

>

>

> Anyone who grabbed it, suggest they up it by yousendit if poss.

>

>

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> On 3 Sep 2010, at 20:16, "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

>

> I encountered the same thing.

>

>

>

> k.w.

>

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>

> To: A <mailto:gathering at misera.net> list about all things Killing Joke (the

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> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 11:59 AM

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download

>

>

>

> doesn't work anymore!

>

> please PLEASE repost!

>

>

>

>

>

> On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:54 PM, fluw < <mailto:fluwdot at earthlink.net>

> fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

>

> The old gang getting together on this record has definitely contributed the

> impression that it is a great album.so far the record sounds like the middle

> of the pack for KJ releases.which is far better than the past decade of

> swill.

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

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> On Behalf Of Paul Rangecroft

> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:01 PM

>

>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download

>

>

>

> Yes, it worked. Thank you very much, Mr Moss. And Jon for posting the link.

>

>

>

> Still not made up my mind about this new stuff. Sounds like the chemistry is

> working, the balance of the different elements of the band restored with the

> return of Big Paul. But maybe that's all and they've mistaken that for the

> greatest album of all time.

>

> On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Rob Moss < <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com>

> rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

>

> <http://rapidshare.com/files/416852347/absolute_dissent.mp3>

> http://rapidshare.com/files/416852347/absolute_dissent.mp3

>

>

>

> I hope!

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