[kj] So new album..where does it stand

[Peter LAMB]

It is wthout doubt a fine record and has some moments that get close to the original feel.
Although there's no tribal drumming, BPF is innovative and the patterns are interesting. Ceratainly he's not the quickest or heaviest drummer but he is BPF and in my mind brings something that makes a difference. He is BPF afterall, say no more.

The Great Cull is going to knacker all of us when we hear it live-thank God!

The Raven King reminds me a bit of the Chameleons a bit - but it cetainly gets to you.

I like it all- it comes togther as whole really well and it is a pleasure to hear Jaz sing again.

An excellent last hurrah?

Cheers,
Peter

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   1. Re: So new album..where does it stand (Leigh Newton)
   2. Re: So new album..where does it stand (Alex Smith)
   3. Re: Warm up show at the Fleece?? Now Tangerine Dream (Paul Wady)
   4. Re: So new album..where does it stand (TB)
   5. Re: You are a thief (sade1)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:06:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] So new album..where does it stand
To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,        "A list about all things
        Killing Joke \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net>
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Honour the Fire is definitely a contender for?a bit of filler. Not a terrible
song though. Also there's Depthcharge, which is good but reminds me of Another
Bloody Election (a song I'd rather not be reminded of).


The album, as a whole, is really great. It sounds cohesive and deliberate, in
direct contrast to Hosannas which sounds exactly like a bunch of jam sessions
that got pieced together?by some poor bastard of an engineer. The Great Cull,
whilst being one of the heavier tracks on the album, wouldn't sound out of place
at all on Night Time (if you use your imagination a little bit). It's got that
Tabazan/Europe vibe to it. A?few of the songs that we heard seperately and
seemed a little lacklustre make a lot more sense in the context of the album,
Fresh?Fever being the?best example of that. Here Comes the Singularity is
another awesome number and probably the closest the album comes to the "classic
sound".


What's weird to me is that?while several songs on the album?do sound a little
like classic KJ, none of them?really sound like?classic Youth-era KJ. Weird.
?
Leigh

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From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 4:18:18 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] So new album..where does it stand


I like "Depthcharge," but it did seem a bit reminiscent of, say, "Asteroid." Not
a bad thing, but no ground broken.
Here's a bold thread. Least favorite song on new album?

I'll say "Honour the Fire."
?
Yours?
?
Alex in NYC


-----Original Message-----

>From: GREG SLAWSON

>Sent: Sep 10, 2010 3:07 PM

>To: gathering

>Subject: Re: [kj] So new album..where does it stand

>

>My take on the album (listened to on crappy computer):

>Great, except for--

>This World Hell & Depthcharge: kind of dull (mostly tuneless metal sludge)

>Ghost of L.G.--quite dull (not as good as "Another Cult Goes Down" in terms of

>Joke-reggae)

>?

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:06:05 +0100
From: Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>
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*Embarrassed*  Erm...sorry, who?  *blush*
Better get on Myspace fast!


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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:40:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] Warm up show at the Fleece?? Now Tangerine Dream








I bet you like Rubicon and Phaedra, though ;)







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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:53:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] Warm up show at the Fleece?? Now Ultravox


Could never appreciate Can & Tangerine Dream though.  *Gasp!*




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From: "TB" <planetary at socal.rr.com>
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Alex Smith wrote:

I like "Depthcharge," but it did seem a bit reminiscent of, say, "Asteroid." Not a bad thing, but no ground broken.
Here's a bold thread. Least favorite song on new album?

I'll say "Honour the Fire."

Yours?

Alex in NYC

+++++++++++++++++++

I agree. HTF is pretty generic sounding rawk to me.  Instrumentally, it sounds like an out-take off Van Halen's "Balance" album.

Otherwise, this album is more or less better than I really thought it'd be even after hearing some of the tracks over the last couple months.  It comes together as a coherent album a lot better than I thought it would considering the different styles.  I still get a sense there's at least three distinct periods over the past 18 months these songs can ber grouped into and not just stylistically, but a general "feel" in the music.  For instance, "Fresh Fever" has a sharp, live in the studio feel to it where the listener can almost feel the newness of the band playing together again fresh off the reunion tour while HTF and Singularity notably feel a bit too labored over and sterile in comparison, something a band suffering from being cooped up in a studio too long would produce.

But really, I am totally happy that not only did this lineup actually stick together to release a new album, but produced a record that I'd put up in the top 3 or 4 best albums they've ever released.  I really hope they play at least 2/3rds of the material live this tour.

T.B.



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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief
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Absolutely great suggestion! Irony of ironies thatthat?was the one project that
wasn't leaked.

?
?
Any chance of Gems being leaked , at least this way those that have been ripped
off can get something back.



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From: Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 1:18:18 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief





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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:01:50 +0200
From: rob.moss at gmx.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief


The album is going to be up on torrents anyway so the casual music fan will
always get it.
The way it was leaked was very much a case of "you have to be in the know". A
random search via torrent sites showed nothing for weeks- I know cos I tried.

As for Gems, it does exist! It materialised in as much as it was recorded and
mastered. People were charged for something that was never delivered.
The fact that it's not all that good doesn't come into it.

Consider this one all Pete! The intention of everyone is to have a listen prior
to release and then buy it.


Enjoy your travels. All power to you for talking the leap that so many of us are
fearful of!






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----- Original Message -----

>From: F. Luke

>Sent: 09/10/10 08:01 AM

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief

>

>I ve left the U.K.?

>I noticed that a lot of people seem to be dying , and it dawned on me that my

>time will come soon, so I'll let those Eastern Europeans build the houses and I

>packed up and am travelling around the World . I am going to find somewhere that

>I like and live there . I may try to find a rainforest in Indonesia that doesnt

>have any large spiders , I f'kin hate spiders .

>

>? Anyway , I agree that most people on the Gathering will buy the album , but

>the casual music fan may just download it and not bother buying it upon its

>release .

>Gems of power and cancelled gigs are not deliberate acts of theft , they are

>projects that didnt materialise . The original intention wasnt to steal or to

>deceive . Unlike the taking of the music, which is deliberately taking something

>that you have no right to take .

>???

>?

>?

>?

>________________________________

From: rob.moss at gmx.com

>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:42:37 +0100

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief

>

>

>Pete!

>

>

>Wondered where you were! Spectacular re-entry frothing at the mouth.?

>

>

>Every fuckers gonna buy this. You know it!

>

>

>By the way, when you talk about thievery in the future think about Gems

>Of Power and all the money wasted on cancelled gigs.?

>

>

>Copy us in your email to the band won't you?

>

>

>

>

>Back on your horse! Giddy up!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>On 10 Sep 2010, at 07:34, "F. Luke" <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:

>

>

>? "THIS asks for NO info and you just download...like it should be."?

>>?

>>?

>>?

>>?? If the band do not recuperate the monies spent on recording the album, then

>>who do you suggest should pay for the expense of making the album, let alone the

>>band receiving money in order to venture into any more projects .

>>

>>?? Why do you feel that you have the right to obtain something for free ?

>>Whoever put it on rapidshare has done a huge disservice to the band , it was

>>previously taken down for a reason and people should have respected this .

>>Would you feel happy if you spent over a year creating something that cost a lot

>>of time and effort and expense and when you had completed it, people just came

>>and took it without paying you for your work ?

>>??Its similar to walking down a street, seeing a new house and saying "That

>>looks nice, I'm going to go and live there", jumping over the wall and then

>>going to live there.

>>The album isnt yours to either give away for free or to download for free .

>>It is like stealing from family members .

>>?

>>________________________________

From: alexih at hotmail.com

>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:37:42 +0000

>>Subject: Re: [kj] In Excelcis leaked - Not up anymore!

>>

>>??? THANK YOU Phil!? I just got WAY overcharged for the Soulseek thing and

>>couldn't find what I was looking for at all.? THIS asks for NO info and you just

>>download...like it should be.

>>

>>

>>

>>?

>>Sprinting along the freeway, brandishing a meaty axe, cometh Alexi! And she

>>gives a bloodthirsty scream:

>>

>>"Brace yourself, oh human speck of dust! I bring darkness and mayhem like a

>>four-year-old on a sugar rampage!!!"??

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>?

>>________________________________

Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:11:33 +0100

>>From: phil.tofield at virgin.net

>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>Subject: Re: [kj] In Excelcis leaked - Not up anymore!

>>

>>

>>heres another download link

>>

>>http://rapidshare.com/files/418088968/KJ-absolute_dissent.zip.html

>>

>>

>>

>>?

>>On 9 September 2010 17:05, Javier Garcia <jagargal at lycos.com> wrote:

>>

>>The file is no longer there. One day out of this mailing list and what kind of

>>material you may loose!!

>>

>>>

>>>I solemnly promise -my right hand on my heart- i?ll buy the new record and the

>>>singles surrounding this new release.

>>>

>>>

>>>Now: Could anybody help me here!?!?

>>>

>>>All these past days I was thinking not download, not even listen, any more new

>>>tracks, in order to get an actual real "new CD"; but i really hate to read all

>>>your posts and have no idea of what you?re talking about. Bring it on please!

>>>

>>>

>>>Javier

>>>mexico city

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