[kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
n0153 jr
nomeanswhat at gmail.com
Wed Sep 8 14:29:37 EDT 2010
I really do like Hosannas even more than I do like 2003... I never quite
understood what most of you dislike about the album... also I do love
Democracy as a whole.
I'm not one to love mindlessly whatever a band I like does, but KJ never,
and I mean NEVER let me down.
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com>wrote:
> Opinions about Hosannas Vs 2003 are very polarised on the Gathering, I
> think, and I've got a feeling that the new album will be the album to unite
> us more. It will be at least the second favourite for everyone out of the
> three albums, I reckon.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: paulwady at hotmail.com
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:24:59 +0100
>
> Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
>
> Hosanna's was rough. Rough to my ears, hysterical stuff. But still, the
> song Hosanna's and Tribal Antidote? Still play them joyously.
>
> I have a confession to make. I did not like the new EP when I heard it on
> Youtube. Sounded like they were doing impressions of their old selves, as
> is kinda said by Peter below. But then I kept playing Endgame and the old
> magic was there. Something about the rasp of the guitars as it starts, and
> they come in after breaks in the song. I'm bouncing along to Jaz.
>
> I think what we want is for the boys to come up with something new in the
> same genre/way as their most, well, KILLING ****ING JOKE ALBUMS. Killing
> Joke 2003, Firedancers, Empire Song era, Money is not our God style etc.
> Never know, it may be waiting in Absolute Dissent? Like I said in my last
> email. If they were Linkin Park it would be uniformly effective,
> predictable, functional product. But KJ is real stuff, so they will always
> be a bit hit and miss? Maybe they should be?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: Peter.Lamb at nottingham.edu.cn
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:14:42 +0800
> > Subject: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
> >
> > Read some comments on you tube about Absolute Dissent/ Fresh Fever. One
> remembers a sense of feeling something like exhilaration and terror on
> listening to Empire Song way back then. Some of 2003 was very good but
> Hosannas is quite underwhelming. Some of the new stuff seems to borrow from
> some of the old riffs but they are the ones that have been done to death.
> They lack the dramatic structure of Revelations and Extremities for example.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Peter Lamb
> > Nottingham University Business School
> > University of Nottingham
> > Ningbo
> > China
> >
> >
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> > 1. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (Brendan)
> > 2. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (sade1)
> > 3. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (Leigh Newton)
> > 4. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (sade1)
> > 5. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (Alexander Smith)
> > 6. Re: absolute dissent track download (Janean)
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:31:29 +1200 (NZST)
> > From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > Message-ID:
> > <15019.122.56.124.26.1283729489.squirrel at mail.orcon.net.nz>
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> >
> > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything
> > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.
> >
> > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an
> > album for some obscure reason.
> >
> > > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry. I was cranking 2003,
> > > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent
> > > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm
> > > liking what I've heard thus far.
> > >
> > > Alex in NYC
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my
> > > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex
> > >
> > > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Can of worms time!
> > >>
> > >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as
> > >> strong albums.
> > >>
> > >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think
> > >> it will nudge it.
> > >>
> > >> So I would say
> > >>
> > >> Absolute dissent
> > >> 2003
> > >> Hosannas
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But could change on any given day or mood!
> > >>
> > >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better
> > >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate
> > >>> them.
> > >>>
> > >>> Pete
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:39:41 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
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> > Implant. Implosion maybe, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNqziN1aHIw
> > Then again, all the?recent songs have been waayyy too long; it kills?the
> moment.
> >
> > ?
> > ... ... ... ... ... ...
> >
> > [looking at the current?state of things..]
> > ?
> > 'Who has the fun..
> > ? ..is it?always a man with a gun...?
> > ??? Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
> gathering at misera.net>
> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:31:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
> >
> > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything
> > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.
> >
> > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an
> > album for some obscure reason.
> >
> > > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry.? I was cranking 2003,
> > > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent
> > > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm
> > > liking what I've heard thus far.
> > >
> > > Alex in NYC
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my
> > > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex
> > >
> > > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Can of worms time!
> > >>
> > >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as
> > >> strong albums.
> > >>
> > >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think
> > >> it will nudge it.
> > >>
> > >> So I would say
> > >>
> > >> Absolute dissent
> > >> 2003
> > >> Hosannas
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But could change on any given day or mood!
> > >>
> > >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better
> > >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate
> > >>> them.
> > >>>
> > >>> Pete
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 17:26:57 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
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> > Kali Yuga.?
> >
> > Wakey wakey, eggs n bakey
> >
> > ?http://www.nightruiner.com
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> >
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> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
> gathering at misera.net>
> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:31:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
> >
> > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything
> > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.
> >
> > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an
> > album for some obscure reason.
> >
> > > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry.? I was cranking 2003,
> > > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent
> > > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm
> > > liking what I've heard thus far.
> > >
> > > Alex in NYC
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my
> > > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex
> > >
> > > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Can of worms time!
> > >>
> > >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as
> > >> strong albums.
> > >>
> > >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think
> > >> it will nudge it.
> > >>
> > >> So I would say
> > >>
> > >> Absolute dissent
> > >> 2003
> > >> Hosannas
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But could change on any given day or mood!
> > >>
> > >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better
> > >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate
> > >>> them.
> > >>>
> > >>> Pete
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 18:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
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> >
> > > ..since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.
> >
> >
> > Including the?latest material, or from PNDMNM to Hosannas...? ?
> >
> > ?
> > ... ... ... ... ... ...
> >
> > [looking at the current?state of things..]
> > ?
> > 'Who has the fun..
> > ? ..is it?always a man with a gun...?
> > ??? Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
> gathering at misera.net>
> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:31:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
> >
> > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything
> > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.
> >
> > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an
> > album for some obscure reason.
> >
> > > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry.? I was cranking 2003,
> > > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent
> > > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm
> > > liking what I've heard thus far.
> > >
> > > Alex in NYC
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my
> > > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex
> > >
> > > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Can of worms time!
> > >>
> > >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as
> > >> strong albums.
> > >>
> > >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think
> > >> it will nudge it.
> > >>
> > >> So I would say
> > >>
> > >> Absolute dissent
> > >> 2003
> > >> Hosannas
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But could change on any given day or mood!
> > >>
> > >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better
> > >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate
> > >>> them.
> > >>>
> > >>> Pete
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:44:28 -0400
> > From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> > Cc: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> > Well, as far as I'm concerned, both of those songs are essentially
> > filler, so I doubt we're going to be able to reach a consensus.
> >
> > Still, hopes are high for the rest of AD.
> >
> > Alex in NYC.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my
> > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex
> >
> > On Sep 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything
> > > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.
> > >
> > > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an
> > > album for some obscure reason.
> > >
> > >> I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry. I was cranking 2003,
> > >> meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent
> > >> material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm
> > >> liking what I've heard thus far.
> > >>
> > >> Alex in NYC
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my
> > >> way with the texting apparatus. - Alex
> > >>
> > >> On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Can of worms time!
> > >>>
> > >>> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as
> > >>> strong albums.
> > >>>
> > >>> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think
> > >>> it will nudge it.
> > >>>
> > >>> So I would say
> > >>>
> > >>> Absolute dissent
> > >>> 2003
> > >>> Hosannas
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> But could change on any given day or mood!
> > >>>
> > >>> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better
> > >>>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate
> > >>>> them.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Pete
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:12:03 +0100
> > From: "Janean" <j at jlancaster.info>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download
> > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)'"
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> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> On
> > Behalf Of PHIL TOFIELD
> > Sent: 03 September 2010 21:07
> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> > Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download
> >
> >
> >
> > for those that missed it
> >
> >
> >
> > http://rapidshare.com/files/416896706/absolute_dissent.mp3.html
> >
> > On 3 September 2010 20:50, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry bout that.
> >
> > Can't fix it till
> >
> > Monday as the track is on my work pc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone who grabbed it, suggest they up it by yousendit if poss.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3 Sep 2010, at 20:16, "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:
> >
> > I encountered the same thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > k.w.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: n0153 jr <mailto:nomeanswhat at gmail.com>
> >
> > To: A <mailto:gathering at misera.net> list about all things Killing Joke
> (the
> > band!)
> >
> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 11:59 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download
> >
> >
> >
> > doesn't work anymore!
> >
> > please PLEASE repost!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:54 PM, fluw < <mailto:fluwdot at earthlink.net>
> > fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > The old gang getting together on this record has definitely contributed
> the
> > impression that it is a great album.so far the record sounds like the
> middle
> > of the pack for KJ releases.which is far better than the past decade of
> > swill.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> gathering-bounces at misera.net
> > [mailto: <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>
> gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> > On Behalf Of Paul Rangecroft
> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:01 PM
> >
> >
> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> >
> > Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, it worked. Thank you very much, Mr Moss. And Jon for posting the
> link.
> >
> >
> >
> > Still not made up my mind about this new stuff. Sounds like the chemistry
> is
> > working, the balance of the different elements of the band restored with
> the
> > return of Big Paul. But maybe that's all and they've mistaken that for
> the
> > greatest album of all time.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Rob Moss < <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com>
> > rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> > <http://rapidshare.com/files/416852347/absolute_dissent.mp3>
> > http://rapidshare.com/files/416852347/absolute_dissent.mp3
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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