[kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

n0153 jr nomeanswhat at gmail.com
Wed Sep 8 14:29:37 EDT 2010


I really do like Hosannas even more than I do like 2003... I never quite
understood what most of you dislike about the album... also I do love
Democracy as a whole.
I'm not one to love mindlessly whatever a band I like does, but KJ never,
and I mean NEVER let me down.



On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com>wrote:


> Opinions about Hosannas Vs 2003 are very polarised on the Gathering, I

> think, and I've got a feeling that the new album will be the album to unite

> us more. It will be at least the second favourite for everyone out of the

> three albums, I reckon.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------

> From: paulwady at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:24:59 +0100

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

>

> Hosanna's was rough. Rough to my ears, hysterical stuff. But still, the

> song Hosanna's and Tribal Antidote? Still play them joyously.

>

> I have a confession to make. I did not like the new EP when I heard it on

> Youtube. Sounded like they were doing impressions of their old selves, as

> is kinda said by Peter below. But then I kept playing Endgame and the old

> magic was there. Something about the rasp of the guitars as it starts, and

> they come in after breaks in the song. I'm bouncing along to Jaz.

>

> I think what we want is for the boys to come up with something new in the

> same genre/way as their most, well, KILLING ****ING JOKE ALBUMS. Killing

> Joke 2003, Firedancers, Empire Song era, Money is not our God style etc.

> Never know, it may be waiting in Absolute Dissent? Like I said in my last

> email. If they were Linkin Park it would be uniformly effective,

> predictable, functional product. But KJ is real stuff, so they will always

> be a bit hit and miss? Maybe they should be?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > From: Peter.Lamb at nottingham.edu.cn

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:14:42 +0800

> > Subject: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

> >

> > Read some comments on you tube about Absolute Dissent/ Fresh Fever. One

> remembers a sense of feeling something like exhilaration and terror on

> listening to Empire Song way back then. Some of 2003 was very good but

> Hosannas is quite underwhelming. Some of the new stuff seems to borrow from

> some of the old riffs but they are the ones that have been done to death.

> They lack the dramatic structure of Revelations and Extremities for example.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Peter Lamb

> > Nottingham University Business School

> > University of Nottingham

> > Ningbo

> > China

> >

> >

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> > 1. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (Brendan)

> > 2. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (sade1)

> > 3. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (Leigh Newton)

> > 4. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (sade1)

> > 5. Re: ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003 (Alexander Smith)

> > 6. Re: absolute dissent track download (Janean)

> >

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> > Message: 1

> > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:31:29 +1200 (NZST)

> > From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

> > <gathering at misera.net>

> > Message-ID:

> > <15019.122.56.124.26.1283729489.squirrel at mail.orcon.net.nz>

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> >

> > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

> >

> > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> > album for some obscure reason.

> >

> > > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry. I was cranking 2003,

> > > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> > > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> > > liking what I've heard thus far.

> > >

> > > Alex in NYC

> > >

> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> > >

> > > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> > >

> > >> Can of worms time!

> > >>

> > >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> > >> strong albums.

> > >>

> > >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> > >> it will nudge it.

> > >>

> > >> So I would say

> > >>

> > >> Absolute dissent

> > >> 2003

> > >> Hosannas

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> But could change on any given day or mood!

> > >>

> > >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> > >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> > >>> them.

> > >>>

> > >>> Pete

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> > Message: 2

> > Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:39:41 -0700 (PDT)

> > From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

> > <gathering at misera.net>

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> >

> > Implant. Implosion maybe, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNqziN1aHIw

> > Then again, all the?recent songs have been waayyy too long; it kills?the

> moment.

> >

> > ?

> > ... ... ... ... ... ...

> >

> > [looking at the current?state of things..]

> > ?

> > 'Who has the fun..

> > ? ..is it?always a man with a gun...?

> > ??? Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <

> gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:31:29 PM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

> >

> > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

> >

> > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> > album for some obscure reason.

> >

> > > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry.? I was cranking 2003,

> > > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> > > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> > > liking what I've heard thus far.

> > >

> > > Alex in NYC

> > >

> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> > >

> > > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> > >

> > >> Can of worms time!

> > >>

> > >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> > >> strong albums.

> > >>

> > >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> > >> it will nudge it.

> > >>

> > >> So I would say

> > >>

> > >> Absolute dissent

> > >> 2003

> > >> Hosannas

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> But could change on any given day or mood!

> > >>

> > >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> > >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> > >>> them.

> > >>>

> > >>> Pete

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> > Message: 3

> > Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 17:26:57 -0700 (PDT)

> > From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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> > Kali Yuga.?

> >

> > Wakey wakey, eggs n bakey

> >

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> > http://www.myspace.com/streetmeatmusic

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> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> > From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <

> gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:31:29 PM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

> >

> > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

> >

> > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> > album for some obscure reason.

> >

> > > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry.? I was cranking 2003,

> > > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> > > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> > > liking what I've heard thus far.

> > >

> > > Alex in NYC

> > >

> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> > >

> > > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> > >

> > >> Can of worms time!

> > >>

> > >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> > >> strong albums.

> > >>

> > >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> > >> it will nudge it.

> > >>

> > >> So I would say

> > >>

> > >> Absolute dissent

> > >> 2003

> > >> Hosannas

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> But could change on any given day or mood!

> > >>

> > >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> > >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> > >>> them.

> > >>>

> > >>> Pete

> > >>> _______________________________________________

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> > Message: 4

> > Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 18:12:04 -0700 (PDT)

> > From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

> > <gathering at misera.net>

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> >

> > > ..since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

> >

> >

> > Including the?latest material, or from PNDMNM to Hosannas...? ?

> >

> > ?

> > ... ... ... ... ... ...

> >

> > [looking at the current?state of things..]

> > ?

> > 'Who has the fun..

> > ? ..is it?always a man with a gun...?

> > ??? Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <

> gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:31:29 PM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

> >

> > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

> >

> > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> > album for some obscure reason.

> >

> > > I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry.? I was cranking 2003,

> > > meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> > > material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> > > liking what I've heard thus far.

> > >

> > > Alex in NYC

> > >

> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> > >

> > > On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> > >

> > >> Can of worms time!

> > >>

> > >> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> > >> strong albums.

> > >>

> > >> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> > >> it will nudge it.

> > >>

> > >> So I would say

> > >>

> > >> Absolute dissent

> > >> 2003

> > >> Hosannas

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> But could change on any given day or mood!

> > >>

> > >> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> > >>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> > >>> them.

> > >>>

> > >>> Pete

> > >>> _______________________________________________

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> > Message: 5

> > Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:44:28 -0400

> > From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> > Subject: Re: [kj] ABSOLUTE v HOSANNAS v 2003

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > <gathering at misera.net>

> > Cc: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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> >

> > Well, as far as I'm concerned, both of those songs are essentially

> > filler, so I doubt we're going to be able to reach a consensus.

> >

> > Still, hopes are high for the rest of AD.

> >

> > Alex in NYC.

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> >

> > On Sep 5, 2010, at 7:31 PM, "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

> >

> > > Wake me when someone comes up with an argument that there's anything

> > > they've done since 1994 that can compare to Communion or Labyrinth.

> > >

> > > Okay, Universe B perhaps...but that doesn't count cos it wasn't on an

> > > album for some obscure reason.

> > >

> > >> I still think Hosannas is crap. Sorry. I was cranking 2003,

> > >> meanwhile, this morning. Some filler there, but some excellent

> > >> material as well. I'm waiting to hear AD in its entirety, but I'm

> > >> liking what I've heard thus far.

> > >>

> > >> Alex in NYC

> > >>

> > >> Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive any typos. I'm still finding my

> > >> way with the texting apparatus. - Alex

> > >>

> > >> On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> Can of worms time!

> > >>>

> > >>> 2003 and hosannas both have 2 tracks I skip but I view them as

> > >>> strong albums.

> > >>>

> > >>> If AD as a whole is as strong as what has come before, then I think

> > >>> it will nudge it.

> > >>>

> > >>> So I would say

> > >>>

> > >>> Absolute dissent

> > >>> 2003

> > >>> Hosannas

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> But could change on any given day or mood!

> > >>>

> > >>> On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:51, peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> On what we have heard so far of the new album can we rate it better

> > >>>> than the previous 2 of this decade or in what order should we rate

> > >>>> them.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Pete

> > >>>> _______________________________________________

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> > Message: 6

> > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:12:03 +0100

> > From: "Janean" <j at jlancaster.info>

> > Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download

> > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)'"

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> > Thank you!

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On

> > Behalf Of PHIL TOFIELD

> > Sent: 03 September 2010 21:07

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download

> >

> >

> >

> > for those that missed it

> >

> >

> >

> > http://rapidshare.com/files/416896706/absolute_dissent.mp3.html

> >

> > On 3 September 2010 20:50, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry bout that.

> >

> > Can't fix it till

> >

> > Monday as the track is on my work pc.

> >

> >

> >

> > Anyone who grabbed it, suggest they up it by yousendit if poss.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 3 Sep 2010, at 20:16, "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com> wrote:

> >

> > I encountered the same thing.

> >

> >

> >

> > k.w.

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> >

> > From: n0153 jr <mailto:nomeanswhat at gmail.com>

> >

> > To: A <mailto:gathering at misera.net> list about all things Killing Joke

> (the

> > band!)

> >

> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 11:59 AM

> >

> > Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download

> >

> >

> >

> > doesn't work anymore!

> >

> > please PLEASE repost!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:54 PM, fluw < <mailto:fluwdot at earthlink.net>

> > fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

> >

> > The old gang getting together on this record has definitely contributed

> the

> > impression that it is a great album.so far the record sounds like the

> middle

> > of the pack for KJ releases.which is far better than the past decade of

> > swill.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> > From: <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> gathering-bounces at misera.net

> > [mailto: <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>

> gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> > On Behalf Of Paul Rangecroft

> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:01 PM

> >

> >

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >

> > Subject: Re: [kj] absolute dissent track download

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, it worked. Thank you very much, Mr Moss. And Jon for posting the

> link.

> >

> >

> >

> > Still not made up my mind about this new stuff. Sounds like the chemistry

> is

> > working, the balance of the different elements of the band restored with

> the

> > return of Big Paul. But maybe that's all and they've mistaken that for

> the

> > greatest album of all time.

> >

> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Rob Moss < <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com>

> > rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> >

> > <http://rapidshare.com/files/416852347/absolute_dissent.mp3>

> > http://rapidshare.com/files/416852347/absolute_dissent.mp3

> >

> >

> >

> > I hope!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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