[kj] kj] Positive Edinburgh Review: From the Scotsman

Marcel spooman at freenet.de
Mon Oct 18 18:06:28 EDT 2010


"Don't give the Demon Pigeon guy too hard of a time." ... Right,
boys will be boys or so I'm told...

Marcel


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> 1. Re: Hammersmith highlights (Simon Abinett)

> 2. Positive Edinburgh Review: From the Scotsman (Rheinhold Squeegee)

> 3. Re: Negative Hammersmith review: (jpwhkj at aol.com)

> 4. Re: Negative Hammersmith review: (Simon Abinett)

> 5. Re: Negative Hammersmith review: (pascal)

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>Message: 1

>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:12:10 +0000

>From: Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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>Playing stuff from Extremties would be one hell of a awesome thing

>to happen so yes i shall do my utmost to not get hopes up for that.

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>As far as openers go i have always thought the perfect song would

>be Struggle including the Kaliyuga intro , always wish they had

>played more than just the first half of EDAVRE album on the tour.

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>Termite mound , Hum , Communion all really good but Struggle would

>be the best ever , love to hear Big Paul give it a go!

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>From: matt_tibbits at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:35:09 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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>I don't want to raise expectations but Jaz was talking in Brussels

>about doing an Extremities based performance/gig at some point. The

>Revelations era brings back too many bad memories for Youth, sadly.

>We should rejoice that we heard The Hum at the Forum. Jaz is

>completely off doing anything from BTATS live. I think he associates

>it with OTG and the break up of the band.

>

>There'll never be a gig that pleases everyone. It's great that they

>are playing so many new songs but I would have loved Singularity. I

>would have also loved Sun Goes Down, Feast of Blaze or Dominator.

>Blood On Your Hands or something other than Asteroid from KJ2003

>would have been good, too. How well would The Gathering go down!?

>You never know though. How many of us would have predicted three

>years ago that they'd be opening their set now with Tomorrow's World

>and playing Madness? Probably right about the Raven comment though -

>we're less likely to hear obscure songs from the albums he did.

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>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:12:46 +0100

>From: paul.rangecroft at gmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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>Seems Youth is no more keen on Revelations now than he was at the

>time. Tragedy. Fire Dances is the most "Raven" of all the albums so

>maybe he's not keen to revisit that either. BTaTS wasn't the easiest

>album to perform live although they seemed to do ok on the BBC CD.

>OTG - forget it. ED&VRE was written to be performed live. Very sad

>that they've decided to neglect this one. Inexplicable and

>inexcusable! Democracy and HFtBoH possibly considered weak albums.

>Looks like we're doomed to hear first album, Pssyche, Change, plus

>new stuff and a few over-familiar "classics". Don't get me wrong,

>gigs are still great. When you're there the songs come to life all

>over again and even Requiem, which I lost interest in years ago (the

>studio version) is awesome. Just bit of a shame we're missing out on

>even better experiences.

>

>Pleased to hear talk of a new album but hope they don't rush it and

>we have another Democracy on our hands. Can't believe I'm saying it

>but: take you time, lads!

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>On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

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>How was the sound? And does the general euphoria of the show

>compensate for what

>I think is a slightly disappointing set list (in terms of the same

>old songs reappearing). Does

>anyone hold out any chance of our fantasy set lists ever becoming

>reality or do you think

>large chunks of the back catalogue will never again see the light of day?

>Just thinking aloud...

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>Message: 2

>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:12:18 -0500

>From: Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com>

>Subject: [kj] Positive Edinburgh Review: From the Scotsman

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>Don't give the Demon Pigeon guy too hard of a time. Based on the

>rest of his blog, it appears he only listens to / reviews the kind

>of sad-sack gargle metal that we all find risible. KJ's latest

>choice of label have pointed many of these unfortunates in our

>direction, and many more have turned away, confused and

>disheartened. I imagine Tears for Fears were the only non-metal band

>he could think of at the time.

>

>There are a large volume of people for whom KJ only exist since

>1985, or 1994 or 2003.

>

>Anyway, here's a nice live review of the Edinburgh show. Yes, it

>really does say "Killing Joe."

>

>http://news.scotsman.com/arts/Music-review-Killing-Joe.6585426.jp

>Music review: Killing Joe

> By Fiona Shepherd

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>KILLING JOKE

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>PICTURE HOUSE, EDINBURGH

>

>****

>To this day, Killing Joke are still the only band to ever really

>scare me with a performance. Thirty years into their career, they

>remain a fierce, potent proposition, playing with an almost

>intimidating intensity to outstrip any of their peers and most of

>their punk/metal progeny.

>

>Following the untimely death of bassist Paul Raven, they have come

>full circle with their line-up, reforming the original gang of

>renegades: bruiser drummer Big Paul Ferguson, Loki-like frontman Jaz

>Coleman ? by day a respected classical composer/arranger, by night a

>demonic shaman ? and, flanking him, the unflappable six-string

>alchemist Geordie and bassist/world renowned producer Youth. He's

>the balding, grey-haired guy in the golf visor, by the way.

>

>Together, they generated a piledriving force and inexorable momentum

>which was by turns thrilling and exhausting.

>

>The majority of this set was plain brute force, with much of the

>subtlety of Geordie's distinctive guitar sound lost in the

>totalitarian assault.

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>These guys could whip up a mob so easily with declamatory

>calls-to-arms such as Wardance and the monolithic majesty of

>Requiem, not to mention Coleman's brief sermons on the economic

>apocalypse and other philosophical matters rarely addressed by a rock band.

>But they could equally incite the none-too-sprightly audience to

>dance with the underlying funkiness of Love Like Blood and the pagan

>stomp of Eighties.

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>Long may they light fires and rage hard.

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>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:06:53 -0400

>From: jpwhkj at aol.com

>Subject: Re: [kj] Negative Hammersmith review:

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>Well, as someone said, each to their own, but it's a bit of a

>mystery why he bothered.

>

>He obviously thinks he's very funny, but, er, he's not. I'm not

>insulted / outraged by any of it; it's just piss-poor.

>

>Also - was the stage really obscured by dry ice? Not from where I

>was, but maybe from the seats... anyone?

>

>Jamie

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>-----Original Message-----

>From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:52

>Subject: Re: [kj] Negative Hammersmith review:

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> >From the review

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>That?s the Killing Joke fanbase then, 70% aging punks, 15%

>nu-metallers and 15% goths. Not sure what that makes me

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>The answer.

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>A cunt.

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>On 18 Oct 2010, at 20:47, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

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>TFF? FFS. That review was funny but didn't make any sense whatsoever.

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>demonpigeon.com? trashbat.cock more like. WASSUP MA NIGGERS!

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>On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

>

>I welcome objective feedback, especially from people unfamilar with

>the band. I have never agreed with the "you're not entitled to your

>opinion unless you're a fan" nonsense.

>

>But this guy spends the entire review slamming the audience,

>practising his similes and doesn't even get to the band until the

>last paragraph.

>

>Very bitter, maybe because he saw his future...

>

>http://www.demonpigeon.com/2010/10/18/killing-joke/

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>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:16:26 +0000

>From: Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] Negative Hammersmith review:

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>It just proves the guy does not have a clue , there was not even any

>dry ice on the stage at any time.

>He spends all his time slagging off the peope that he sees whilst

>upstairs in the circle , while all the real fans are obviously downstairs.

>Tears for Fears being compared to K.J i mean what a fuckwit.

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>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:06:53 -0400

>From: jpwhkj at aol.com

>Subject: Re: [kj] Negative Hammersmith review:

>

>

>Well, as someone said, each to their own, but it's a bit of a

>mystery why he bothered.

>

>He obviously thinks he's very funny, but, er, he's not. I'm not

>insulted / outraged by any of it; it's just piss-poor.

>

>Also - was the stage really obscured by dry ice? Not from where I

>was, but maybe from the seats... anyone?

>

>Jamie

>

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>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:52

>Subject: Re: [kj] Negative Hammersmith review:

>

>

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> >From the review

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>

>That?s the Killing Joke fanbase then, 70% aging punks, 15%

>nu-metallers and 15% goths. Not sure what that makes me

>

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>

>

>

>

>The answer.

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>A cunt.

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>On 18 Oct 2010, at 20:47, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

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>TFF? FFS. That review was funny but didn't make any sense whatsoever.

>

>demonpigeon.com? trashbat.cock more like. WASSUP MA NIGGERS!

>

>

>On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

>

>

>I welcome objective feedback, especially from people unfamilar with

>the band. I have never agreed with the "you're not entitled to your

>opinion unless you're a fan" nonsense.

>

>But this guy spends the entire review slamming the audience,

>practising his similes and doesn't even get to the band until the

>last paragraph.

>

>Very bitter, maybe because he saw his future...

>

>http://www.demonpigeon.com/2010/10/18/killing-joke/

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>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:13:22 +0200

>From: "pascal" <pascal at ledooz.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] Negative Hammersmith review:

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>The answer.

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>A cunt.

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>Warm, soft and sensitive Then?

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

>Behalf Of Rob Moss

>Sent: 18 October 2010 22:53

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] Negative Hammersmith review:

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> >From the review

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>That's the Killing Joke fanbase then, 70% aging punks, 15% nu-metallers and

>15% goths. Not sure what that makes me

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>The answer.

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>A cunt.

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>On 18 Oct 2010, at 20:47, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

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>TFF? FFS. That review was funny but didn't make any sense whatsoever.

>

> <http://demonpigeon.com> demonpigeon.com? trashbat.cock

><http://www.trashbat.co.ck/> more like. WASSUP MA NIGGERS!

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>On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee <

><mailto:kjlist at live.com> kjlist at live.com> wrote:

>

>I welcome objective feedback, especially from people unfamilar with the

>band. I have never agreed with the "you're not entitled to your opinion

>unless you're a fan" nonsense.

>

>But this guy spends the entire review slamming the audience, practising his

>similes and doesn't even get to the band until the last paragraph.

>

>Very bitter, maybe because he saw his future...

>

> <http://www.demonpigeon.com/2010/10/18/killing-joke/>

>http://www.demonpigeon.com/2010/10/18/killing-joke/

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