[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 86, Issue 150

[Jon Hopkins]

Surely the reason why mr Coleman wouldn't do BTATS live is because he  
couldn't sing it live. He just about got through ESS in London.
After seeing him attempt Raven King at the Fleece I am not surprised  
it got dropped.


Jon Hopkins

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>   1. Re: Hammersmith highlights (Matt Tibbits)

>   2. Re: Hammersmith highlights (Rob Moss)

>   3. Re: Hammersmith highlights (Alex Smith)

>   4. Re: Hammersmith highlights (Dirk Kingerske)

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> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:53:21 +0000

> From: Matt Tibbits <matt_tibbits at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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> Absolutely!! Don't get me wrong I loved the gigs I went to and  

> Hammersmith was amazing, one of the best. What I meant was we've all  

> got our ideal setlists and it'll never happen for any of us. Too  

> many good songs..!

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> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:45:16 +0200

> From: rob.moss at gmx.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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> Every band concentrates on what made them famous initially don't they?

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> Fuck what the fans think anyway! Play what the hell you like.

> If after 31 years you can't start pleasing yourself a little then  

> it's a bad old job!

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>

> Killing Joke 31 years young. That's worth celebrating isn't it!!??

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Matt Tibbits

> Sent: 10/18/10 02:35 PM

> To: Gathering

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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> I don't want to raise expectations but Jaz was talking in Brussels  

> about doing an Extremities based performance/gig at some point. The  

> Revelations era brings back too many bad memories for Youth, sadly.  

> We should rejoice that we heard The Hum at the Forum. Jaz is  

> completely off doing anything from BTATS live. I think he associates  

> it with OTG and the break up of the band.

>

> There'll never be a gig that pleases everyone. It's great that they  

> are playing so many new songs but I would have loved Singularity. I  

> would have also loved Sun Goes Down, Feast of Blaze or Dominator.  

> Blood On Your Hands or something other than Asteroid from KJ2003  

> would have been good, too. How well would The Gathering go down!?  

> You never know though. How many of us would have predicted three  

> years ago that they'd be opening their set now with Tomorrow's World  

> and playing Madness? Probably right about the Raven comment though -  

> we're less likely to hear obscure songs from the albums he did.

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> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:12:46 +0100

> From: paul.rangecroft at gmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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> Seems Youth is no more keen on Revelations now than he was at the  

> time. Tragedy. Fire Dances is the most "Raven" of all the albums so  

> maybe he's not keen to revisit that either. BTaTS wasn't the easiest  

> album to perform live although they seemed to do ok on the BBC CD.  

> OTG - forget it. ED&VRE was written to be performed live. Very sad  

> that they've decided to neglect this one. Inexplicable and  

> inexcusable! Democracy and HFtBoH possibly considered weak albums.  

> Looks like we're doomed to hear first album, Pssyche, Change, plus  

> new stuff and a few over-familiar "classics". Don't get me wrong,  

> gigs are still great. When you're there the songs come to life all  

> over again and even Requiem, which I lost interest in years ago (the  

> studio version) is awesome. Just bit of a shame we're missing out on  

> even better experiences.

>

> Pleased to hear talk of a new album but hope they don't rush it and  

> we have another Democracy on our hands. Can't believe I'm saying it  

> but: take you time, lads!

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> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>  

> wrote:

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> How was the sound? And does the general euphoria of the show  

> compensate for what

> I think is a slightly disappointing set list (in terms of the same  

> old songs reappearing). Does

> anyone hold out any chance of our fantasy set lists ever becoming  

> reality or do you think

> large chunks of the back catalogue will never again see the light of  

> day?

> Just thinking aloud...

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> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

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> How about the fantasy nightmare setlist seeing as Halloween is coming?

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> Nil points to the one who says OTG in it's entirety!

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> Pick the worst song and add to the list.

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> I start by offering

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> Victory

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> On 18 Oct 2010, at 14:53, Matt Tibbits <matt_tibbits at hotmail.com>  

> wrote:

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>> Absolutely!! Don't get me wrong I loved the gigs I went to and  

>> Hammersmith was amazing, one of the best. What I meant was we've  

>> all got our ideal setlists and it'll never happen for any of us.  

>> Too many good songs..!

>>

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>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:45:16 +0200

>> From: rob.moss at gmx.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

>>

>> Every band concentrates on what made them famous initially don't  

>> they?

>>

>>

>>

>> Fuck what the fans think anyway! Play what the hell you like.

>>

>> If after 31 years you can't start pleasing yourself a little then  

>> it's a bad old job!

>>

>>

>>

>> Killing Joke 31 years young. That's worth celebrating isn't it!!??

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>>

>> From: Matt Tibbits

>>

>> Sent: 10/18/10 02:35 PM

>>

>> To: Gathering

>>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

>>

>>

>> I don't want to raise expectations but Jaz was talking in Brussels  

>> about doing an Extremities based performance/gig at some point. The  

>> Revelations era brings back too many bad memories for Youth, sadly.  

>> We should rejoice that we heard The Hum at the Forum. Jaz is  

>> completely off doing anything from BTATS live. I think he  

>> associates it with OTG and the break up of the band.

>>

>> There'll never be a gig that pleases everyone. It's great that they  

>> are playing so many new songs but I would have loved Singularity. I  

>> would have also loved Sun Goes Down, Feast of Blaze or Dominator.  

>> Blood On Your Hands or something other than Asteroid from KJ2003  

>> would have been good, too. How well would The Gathering go down!?  

>> You never know though. How many of us would have predicted three  

>> years ago that they'd be opening their set now with Tomorrow's  

>> World and playing Madness? Probably right about the Raven comment  

>> though - we're less likely to hear obscure songs from the albums he  

>> did.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:12:46 +0100

>> From: paul.rangecroft at gmail.com

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

>>

>> Seems Youth is no more keen on Revelations now than he was at the  

>> time. Tragedy. Fire Dances is the most "Raven" of all the albums so  

>> maybe he's not keen to revisit that either. BTaTS wasn't the  

>> easiest album to perform live although they seemed to do ok on the  

>> BBC CD. OTG - forget it. ED&VRE was written to be performed live.  

>> Very sad that they've decided to neglect this one. Inexplicable and  

>> inexcusable! Democracy and HFtBoH possibly considered weak albums.  

>> Looks like we're doomed to hear first album, Pssyche, Change, plus  

>> new stuff and a few over-familiar "classics". Don't get me wrong,  

>> gigs are still great. When you're there the songs come to life all  

>> over again and even Requiem, which I lost interest in years ago  

>> (the studio version) is awesome. Just bit of a shame we're missing  

>> out on even better experiences.

>>

>> Pleased to hear talk of a new album but hope they don't rush it and  

>> we have another Democracy on our hands. Can't believe I'm saying it  

>> but: take you time, lads!

>>

>>

>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>  

>> wrote:

>> How was the sound? And does the general euphoria of the show  

>> compensate for what

>> I think is a slightly disappointing set list (in terms of the same  

>> old songs reappearing). Does

>> anyone hold out any chance of our fantasy set lists ever becoming  

>> reality or do you think

>> large chunks of the back catalogue will never again see the light  

>> of day?

>> Just thinking aloud...

>> n

>>

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> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:19:29 +0200

> From: Dirk Kingerske <dirkingerske at hotmail.com>

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> are you sure?

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> dirt

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> From: jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:48:23 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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> And he's a teacher as well!!!!!

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> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:47:09 +0200

> From: rob.moss at gmx.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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> Charming?

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> Not if you headr what the Dirty Dirk was saying to my son and his  

> mate!

> Fucking pervert!!!!

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: pssyche23

> Sent: 10/18/10 01:43 PM

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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> these charming men :o)

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> Sent from my iPhone

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> On 18 Oct 2010, at 13:39, jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>  

> wrote:

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> Always a pleasure to meet Dirk And Frank - My favourite German  

> Germans !!

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> From: dirkingerske at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:43:02 +0200

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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> bruised and abused.... but nevertheless I made it back home! on the  

> way back from the airport we had a quick listen at the cd set...  

> excellent quality!!!! thanks to everyone and see you soon!

>

> dirk

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> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:29:59 +0200

> From: jane.shadforth at shell.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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> Who you calling a loon ;-)

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> ... also sporting a few bruises, Jane

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering- 

> bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of PHIL TOFIELD

> Sent: 17 October 2010 01:58

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

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>

> just got home. Went on my own in the end after various lightweight  

> mates dropped out, so I spent the whole gig right down the front.  

> Feeling battered and bruised now! Thought the sound was pretty bad,  

> but it might have been better further back. Geordie could have been  

> louder. The Young Gods were a great support. Id never heard them  

> before but really enjoyed it, and the rest of the crowd seemed  

> really into them too.

>

>

> Briefly saw Rob outside and I think I saw Jane flailing around like  

> a loon in the mosh pit, but didnt recognise anyone else. Ive seen  

> better Joke gigs, but it was still a top night.

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> On 17 October 2010 01:22, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

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> Great summary, thanks lots for it.

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>> ..LLB next. It was dedicated to two people. Don't know who.

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> I think the two persons Love Like Blood is dedicated to are Jaz's  

> and Geordie's fathers, as in past. (both are deceased).

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> From: nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com>

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 5:08:40 PM

> Subject: [kj] Hammersmith highlights

>

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> It was a long gig. They must have played the entire first album,  

> except SO36. From memory, other albums visited were: WTF (Madness,  

> Fall of Because); Nighttime (80s, LLB); Pandemonium (Pandemonium);  

> KJ 2003 (Asteroid|); Absolute Dissent (AD, This World Hell, In  

> Excelsis, European Super State... and others but I forget now). Also  

> Change and Pssyche.

>

> It was reported on the Gathering recently that Geordie was seen to  

> smile on stage. I can report that he was smiling tonight too, a hell  

> of a lot. He must have some good stash at the moment. He did not  

> smoke on stage (not that I saw) and I doubt he even had time to have  

> one in the break. Nor was there a bottle of wine on the amp. It's  

> like he's being professional, or something.

>

> They opened with Tomorrow's World. Youth's bass wasn't working at  

> first. They then did LLB next. It was dedicated to two people. Don't  

> know who. To my ear, Youth messed it up a bit in the instrumental  

> break, or perhaps it was a mixing problem.

>

> If there was one song that really got the crowd up it was Requiem,  

> which came about half way through. The rendition was momentous, the  

> sound cavernous. Everyone in the crowd knew the lyrics. It was the  

> best moment and I hope they never drop it from the set list. Requiem  

> seemed to launch the final absolutely frenzied half of the gig. They  

> just went mental. Unfortunately I was having a standing-at-the-back- 

> watching-type gig as I was with a mate who isn't a fan. I wish in  

> hindsight it had been an in-the-pit gig because the set list was  

> superb. They've obviously totally scrapped the old predictable  

> roster of Communiun, Frenzy etc - though War Dance featured  

> prominently at about three or four songs in. And it was crap. Youth  

> didn't even play that nice litte doink-doink-doink bit on the  

> harmonics.

>

> I must say, Youth has really grown on me. He's cool.

>

> A Jaz moment: "Every concert I'm always asked about 2012. The truth  

> is, I don't know. But I do know one thing..." Unforturnately,  

> Gatherers, my hearing let me down here, so if anyone can fill in the  

> gap. They then launched into Asteroid.

>

> Also: "We want a European superstate so we can put Blair, Rumsfeld  

> and Cheney on trial."

>

> Another moment, just before the last song, Jaz gives the thank-yous:  

> "I first want to thank this man here. Geordie. Geordie is the most  

> tenacious... He's the only other member of Killing Joke that has  

> been at every Killing Joke event since we started... I love him,  

> he's a brother.... [Jaz then thanks the drum roadie, calling him, I  

> think, the Stud Roadie, but I may have miss-heard; he then thanks  

> the manager, saying he's the best they've ever had; he thanks the  

> guitar roadie, saying he can remember him coming to KJ gigs with his  

> school satchel]...Youth, Youth has brought so much honour and glory  

> to the Killing Joke family; and finally Big Paul, without whom there  

> would be no Killing Joke at all."

>

> All the above is open to correction and clarifications by others.  

> It's a bit late. I'm home now eating peanut butter on toast and  

> watching a Tony Curtis film.

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