[kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

[jpwhkj at aol.com]

Yes, I missed apostasy in the list.
 
Actually, the bit I love about Sharia law is that a woman's word is worth one quarter of a man's (or at least, that's the version that operates in Mauritania).






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This article is only one example, but if you read it.....


"Under the Gulf kingdom's strict Islamic Sharia laws, the death penalty can be imposed for murder, rape, apostasy, armed robbery, drug trafficking and repeated drug use."




Ahem....Apostasy: –noun, plural -sies.
a total desertion of or departure from one's religion, principles,party, cause, etc.




.....I'd say that pretty well falls under the umbrella of "disagreeing with them." Granted, that's head, not hands....though given the option, I think I'd prefer to lose my hands. 


In terms of hand-dismemberment, Sharia law suggests it's the right way to deal with thievery, regardless of whether they were desperate, repentant or otherwise.....




But if you need further examples:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Penalties


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1226323/Iranian-police-ready-carry-hand-amputation-return-Sharia-punishment-criminals.html


http://www.survivalnet.org/articles/sharia.html




If you ask me, that's some pretty barbaric shit. Is there some barbaric shit in Christianity/Judaism? Absolutely, but let's not pretend all is sweetness & light under the watchful eye of Allah.






Alex in NYC




On May 8, 2010, at 12:13 PM, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:


Yes, the Saudis behead people who commit capital offences.
 
I couldn't find anything about cutting off your hands if you disagree with them though.  (I only skimmed it though - did I miss something?)






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Oh, just a lovely little practice by a little-known coterie of people called The Saudis


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2966790.stm




Alex in NYC






On May 8, 2010, at 8:21 AM, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:


Not as far as I know (but I've never disagreed with him in person).  But who does threaten to cut off your hands if you disagree with them?





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Does Dawkins threaten to cut your hands off if you beg to differ with him?


Alex in NYC


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From: Jim Harper 
Sent: May 7, 2010 9:29 AM 
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I'm sure Dawkins has a million and one convenient and pithy quotes about how right he is and why he's better than religious fanatics (which do all seem to revolve around the same method: "I'm right, so I'm not a fanatic!"). I'm already acquainted with Dawkins' beliefs, and they weren't convincing firsthand, so it's probably not worth throwing any more around. 
 
I'm also not even remotely religious, and heavily opposed to Christianity. What wories me is not the nature of someone's beliefs, but their attitudes. Dawkins is a fanatic because he doesn't admit a single shred of self-doubt. As far as he's concerned, he has satisfactorily proven his beliefs to be 100% accurate, and everyone who doesn't share his opinion is at best wrong and at worst actively delusion.
 
That makes him a fanatic. That makes him just like any other fanatic, and entitled to be labelled as such. Like all fanatics, of course, he maintains he isn't one (because he's right, of course).
 
jim.

--- On Fri, 7/5/10, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:



“It’s all too easy to mistake passion that can change its mind for fundamentalism, which never will.”

 

“If I sound intemperate, it’s only because of the weird convention, almost universally accepted, that religious faith is uniquely privileged“
 
“Blasphemy is a victimless crime”
 
Dawkins
 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Jim Harper
Sent: Friday, 7 May 2010 10:23 PM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
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In other words:

 

"Being a fanatic is only a bad thing if you're wrong. And I'm right."

 

Thanks.

 

The fallback position of the man who knows he can't prove his opinions: "But I'm right!"

 

Jim.

--- On Fri, 7/5/10, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:


Isn't virulent atheism just as much an issue as virulent Christian Fundamentalism?

 
No. Nothing like it. I’ve done both.

 
“When two points of view are expressed with equal force, the truth does not necessarily lie midway between them. It is possible for one side to be simply wrong. And that justifies passion on the other side”
 
Dawkins 1:18
 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Bette Dillinger
Sent: Friday, 7 May 2010 9:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

 
Really, your post is one of the few moderate, thoughtful posts I have read about Christianity on the Web!  I think the concepts such as "original sin" etc, are metaphors.  Taken out of context you can alter them to suit your personal level of need for control and submission or dominance.  But all books on spirituality ultimately have one theme.  That's why the "Founding Fathers" were deists, though of course I have views on that as well.  
 
What Cayce reading have you done?
 

From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 22:22:02 +1200
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

well, i've been rather anti-christian these last few years, very much so...altho, to me, divinity is everywhere...  

 

these last few weeks tho, i've been listening to 'the politically incorrect guide to the bible' which has opened my eyes to the fact that the christian mindset has given us many good things that society has benefited from... like the age of the magnacarta, and the attitudes of the american founding fathers who penned the declaration of independence ... i see how easy it is to slam the religious nutters, hardly a fair fight, but credit where its due, it has also had some positive effects on our unraveling culture.   (not that peace cant be achieved without the bible..)

 

there was one bit saying that those cultures that had large christian populations had more personal and political freedoms than those cultures with smaller christian based populations.. broke it down with numbers and stuff too...

 

to each their own, as long as the mind and the conscience are used...

 

 

i am very interested in the initial cause/concept of the twisted biblical story of original sin... i have my own idea's, influenced by some edgar cayce readings,  and i do think that it does refer to some actual relevant happening, but, who can know??  doesn't stop me pondering...

 

 

 

 

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