[kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

[Alexander Smith]

Oh, just a lovely little practice by a little-known coterie of people  
called The Saudis

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2966790.stm


Alex in NYC



On May 8, 2010, at 8:21 AM, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:


> Not as far as I know (but I've never disagreed with him in person).   

> But who does threaten to cut off your hands if you disagree with them?

>

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> Sent: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:44

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

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>

> Does Dawkins threaten to cut your hands off if you beg to differ  

> with him?

>

>

> Alex in NYC

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Jim Harper

> Sent: May 7, 2010 9:29 AM

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

>

> I'm sure Dawkins has a million and one convenient and pithy quotes  

> about how right he is and why he's better than religious fanatics  

> (which do all seem to revolve around the same method: "I'm right, so  

> I'm not a fanatic!"). I'm already acquainted with Dawkins' beliefs,  

> and they weren't convincing firsthand, so it's probably not worth  

> throwing any more around.

>

> I'm also not even remotely religious, and heavily opposed to  

> Christianity. What wories me is not the nature of someone's beliefs,  

> but their attitudes. Dawkins is a fanatic because he doesn't admit a  

> single shred of self-doubt. As far as he's concerned, he has  

> satisfactorily proven his beliefs to be 100% accurate, and everyone  

> who doesn't share his opinion is at best wrong and at worst actively  

> delusion.

>

> That makes him a fanatic. That makes him just like any other  

> fanatic, and entitled to be labelled as such. Like all fanatics, of  

> course, he maintains he isn't one (because he's right, of course).

>

> jim.

>

> --- On Fri, 7/5/10, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

> “It’s all too easy to mistake passion that can change its mind for  

> fundamentalism, which never will.”

>

> “If I sound intemperate, it’s only because of the weird convention,  

> almost universally accepted, that religious faith is uniquely  

> privileged“

>

> “Blasphemy is a victimless crime”

>

> Dawkins

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ] On Behalf Of Jim Harper

> Sent: Friday, 7 May 2010 10:23 PM

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

>

> In other words:

>

> "Being a fanatic is only a bad thing if you're wrong. And I'm right."

>

> Thanks.

>

> The fallback position of the man who knows he can't prove his  

> opinions: "But I'm right!"

>

> Jim.

>

> --- On Fri, 7/5/10, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

> Isn't virulent atheism just as much an issue as virulent Christian  

> Fundamentalism?

>

> No. Nothing like it. I’ve done both.

>

> “When two points of view are expressed with equal force, the truth  

> does not necessarily lie midway between them. It is possible for one  

> side to be simply wrong. And that justifies passion on the other side”

>

> Dawkins 1:18

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ] On Behalf Of Bette Dillinger

> Sent: Friday, 7 May 2010 9:02 AM

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

>

> Really, your post is one of the few moderate, thoughtful posts I  

> have read about Christianity on the Web!  I think the concepts such  

> as "original sin" etc, are metaphors.  Taken out of context you can  

> alter them to suit your personal level of need for control and  

> submission or dominance.  But all books on spirituality ultimately  

> have one theme.  That's why the "Founding Fathers" were deists,  

> though of course I have views on that as well.

>

> What Cayce reading have you done?

>

> From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com

> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 22:22:02 +1200

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) The Religion of Peace, Love and Understanding

>

> well, i've been rather anti-christian these last few years, very  

> much so...altho, to me, divinity is everywhere...

>

> these last few weeks tho, i've been listening to 'the politically  

> incorrect guide to the bible' which has opened my eyes to the fact  

> that the christian mindset has given us many good things that  

> society has benefited from... like the age of the magnacarta, and  

> the attitudes of the american founding fathers who penned the  

> declaration of independence ... i see how easy it is to slam the  

> religious nutters, hardly a fair fight, but credit where its due, it  

> has also had some positive effects on our unraveling culture.   (not  

> that peace cant be achieved without the bible..)

>

> there was one bit saying that those cultures that had large  

> christian populations had more personal and political freedoms than  

> those cultures with smaller christian based populations.. broke it  

> down with numbers and stuff too...

>

> to each their own, as long as the mind and the conscience are used...

>

>

> i am very interested in the initial cause/concept of the twisted  

> biblical story of original sin... i have my own idea's, influenced  

> by some edgar cayce readings,  and i do think that it does refer to  

> some actual relevant happening, but, who can know??  doesn't stop me  

> pondering...

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