[kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

[Brian Whitehead]

"But really, the amount people have lost on this debacle is ridiculous"

There's a big word that needs adding here..."again" or maybe two.."yet
again".

Brian.

On 5 March 2010 12:18, <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk> wrote:


> Yeah, it all depends on the reasons for cancelling... some things just

> can't be helped... others most definitely can. If it's a fucking bullshit

> reason (and I lean more towards that than anything else) then they truly are

> a bunch of pricks. And they owe me... and everyone else that has wasted

> money on tickets and travel. We should march backstage and claim it off them

> when they finally do get it together. We could take those grandads any

> day... they would pay!!!! Who's with me?!  Marc, you go in first, we'll be

> right behind you!

>

> But really, the amount people have lost on this debacle is ridiculous...

> it's the biggest fans they fuck over most when they pull stunts like this.

> Arseholes.

>

> Dave in Edinburgh (who wishes he'd gone for NoMeansNo in Amsterdam instead

> of Killing Joke in Prague)

>

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> At 19:35 05/03/2010 +0800, you wrote:

>

>> There maybe good reasons for the postponement but who you can tell?

>>

>> This a very shabby affair and feel very let down. How come there is still

>> no official statement- no sign of regret for the inconvenience? This silence

>> is utterly disrespectful, amateur, and tardy at best.

>>

>> I am going to be down over a grand on flights alone. I have to extend my

>> ticket to a yearly one in order not to lose it completely and that is

>> costing 350 quid on top of the seven hundrend I've paid already.

>>

>> If the I have told my mate in Prague that if he sees Jaz to tell him that

>> I am finished with KJ.  I still hope the new release will be a corker but if

>> it is just another mediocre one like the last one then what a farce all this

>> will have been.

>>

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>>   1. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (fatpotanga)

>>   2. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>      (Phillipps Marc)

>>   3. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Rob Moss)

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>> Message: 1

>> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:45:12 +0000

>> From: fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>

>>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>>        <gathering at misera.net>

>> Message-ID: <17F702A4-8343-4519-B61E-D42BED01F476 at gmail.com>

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>>

>> I agree with Cliff about the self release thing being a sensible route

>> (Jaz even spoke about the record business needing to adapt Trent Reznor

>> doing that NIN release & making $gazoodles with no middle man to pay) but as

>> Rob said it's taking the easy money.

>> KJ are an influential band but they aren't a big band & as such will never

>> make a lot.

>>

>> I might be wrong here but I sense that Jaz's classical work & Youths

>> production are very the day jobs & Killing Joke is mountain biking at the

>> weekend but I guess it's a different story for Geordie.

>> (BPF situation I know even less about though after chatting with him

>> strikes me as an intelligent, decent man with his head/finances screwed on)

>>

>> This 'Money is not our god' line has struck me as a bit of a hypocrisy for

>> a long time.

>> The cap fit when it was written, but they were shafted, skint & it was

>> over 20 years ago & a lot changes.

>> I don't have a problem with any of that; everyone has to eat & do the best

>> for themselves & their families, it's just that mantra is a little out of

>> date.

>> Still, I guess you can still believe in the principle.

>> like Rob said ideals don't pay the bills.

>> >From a lot of things I've been told privately "Take Take, Take" would be

>> more apt in certain quarters  :)

>>

>> I didn't buy Gems but the whole debacle really irritates me.

>> Maybe it isn't a fiscally viable product. Maybe there isn't enough cash to

>> release it in the first place. Maybe they're all printed up in in someones

>> loft & they've forgotten where.

>> If they can't afford to/refuse repay the advances there's nothing to stop

>> them making it available as a download, as a gesture of good faith to those

>> who paid upfront.

>> OK, so it's a bowl of beans instead of a tin but at least it's something.

>> As it stands at the moment, it's "Feather the nest & fuck the rest"

>>

>> Tour wise, I know the fat lady hasn't officially sung, but it looks more &

>> more likely that she's warming up so I really feel for everyone who has

>> invested in hotels & flights as well as their annual leave.

>> Whatever the reason (and I choose to believe that these decisions are

>> borne of necessity not whim) it's worse as it's happened so many times

>> before.

>> Repeatedly kicking your (actually pretty small) fan base in the balls is

>> not great PR.

>> All this is going to do for many is sour what promises to be a fantastic

>> album before it's been released

>> Probably a really stupid question this but is there a remote chance of

>> being covered on travel insurance (any policy?) for any part of it...?

>>

>> sorry, that was all a bit rambling

>>

>>

>> On 5 Mar 2010, at 08:43, Rob Moss wrote:

>>

>> > Thing is, they will always take the easy money of an advance rather than

>> put some back into it.

>> > Raven was the only one who had an ounce of commercial sense. EVen then

>> he was a bit daft!

>> >

>> >

>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>> >> From: Cliff Livingston

>> >> Sent: 03/05/10 04:01 AM

>> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>> >>

>> >> I think KJ should seriously do it themselves,release all material

>> online downloadable format,they own it all and don't have to wait.No Product

>> to sit on a shelf and no money spent on middle men.CliffMonk

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>> --

>> YAY SALE!

>> http://www.iamscuzzy.com

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>> From: "Phillipps Marc" <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>

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>> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>> >He sold his butt years ago and don't think for one minute he didn't!

>>

>> >we all do.

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>> I know you do, I have seen the adverts in the telephone boxes around

>> Kings Cross

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>> (Do you really think the New Yokel In Town line works?)

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>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> On Behalf Of Rob Moss

>> Sent: 05 March 2010 08:41

>>

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>

>>

>>

>> He sold his butt years ago and don't think for one minute he didn't!

>>

>> we all do.

>>

>>

>>

>> Ideals are nice but they donlt pay the bills!

>>

>>

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>>

>>        ----- Original Message -----

>>

>>        From: folk devil

>>

>>        Sent: 03/04/10 11:34 PM

>>

>>        To: gathering at misera.net

>>

>>        Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to

>> September

>>

>>

>>

>>        Bollocks. Jaz Coleman, corporate whore?

>>

>>        Shake hands with MD, maybe?

>>

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>>        From: karen.weil at sddt.com

>>        To: gathering at misera.net

>>        Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:14:10 -0800

>>

>>        Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to

>> September

>>

>>        It would be a start, at least.

>>

>>

>>

>>        Karen W.

>>

>>        SoCal

>>

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>>                ----- Original Message -----

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>>                From: LONESTYLE at aol.com

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>>                To: gathering at misera.net

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>>                Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:42 PM

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>>                Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to

>> September

>>

>>

>>

>>                Why doesn't KJ go to fuckin Universal or some other rich

>> record company that has bank and get the album out sooner? Now that's

>> fuckin proper!

>>

>>

>>

>>                ~LB

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>> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:31:13 +0100

>> From: "Rob Moss" <rob.moss at gmx.com>

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>> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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>> So far, so good.

>>

>> I find that dressing up as one of the Wurzels has increased trade

>> significantly!

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>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Phillipps Marc

>> Sent: 03/05/10 10:23 AM

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>

>> >He sold his butt years ago and don't think for one minute he didn't!

>> >we all do.

>> I know you do, I have seen the adverts in the telephone boxes around Kings

>> Cross

>> (Do you really think the New Yokel In Town line works?)

>>

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>> From:gathering-bounces at misera.net <From%3Agathering-bounces at misera.net>[mailto:

>> gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Rob Moss

>> Sent: 05 March 2010 08:41

>>

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>> He sold his butt years ago and don't think for one minute he didn't!

>> we all do.

>> Ideals are nice but they donlt pay the bills!

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: folk devil

>> Sent: 03/04/10 11:34 PM

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>

>> Bollocks. Jaz Coleman, corporate whore?

>>

>>  Shake hands with MD, maybe?

>>

>> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>> From: karen.weil at sddt.com

>>  To: gathering at misera.net

>>  Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:14:10 -0800

>>

>>  Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>

>> It would be a start, at least.

>>

>> Karen W.

>>

>> SoCal

>>

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>> To:gathering at misera.net <To%3Agathering at misera.net>

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>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:42 PM

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>> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

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>> Why doesn't KJ go to fuckin Universal or some other rich record company

>> that has bank and get the album out sooner? Now that's fuckin proper!

>>

>> ~LB

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