[kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

[Rob Moss]

Deep breaths Dave. Deep breaths!


----- Original Message -----
From: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk
Sent: 03/05/10 12:18 PM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)
Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

Yeah, it all depends on the reasons for cancelling... some things just 
can't be helped... others most definitely can. If it's a fucking bullshit 
reason (and I lean more towards that than anything else) then they truly 
are a bunch of pricks. And they owe me... and everyone else that has wasted 
money on tickets and travel. We should march backstage and claim it off 
them when they finally do get it together. We could take those grandads any 
day... they would pay!!!! Who's with me?! Marc, you go in first, we'll be 
right behind you!

But really, the amount people have lost on this debacle is ridiculous... 
it's the biggest fans they fuck over most when they pull stunts like this. 
Arseholes.

Dave in Edinburgh (who wishes he'd gone for NoMeansNo in Amsterdam instead 
of Killing Joke in Prague)







At 19:35 05/03/2010 +0800, you wrote:

>There maybe good reasons for the postponement but who you can tell?

>

>This a very shabby affair and feel very let down. How come there is still 

>no official statement- no sign of regret for the inconvenience? This 

>silence is utterly disrespectful, amateur, and tardy at best.

>

>I am going to be down over a grand on flights alone. I have to extend my 

>ticket to a yearly one in order not to lose it completely and that is 

>costing 350 quid on top of the seven hundrend I've paid already.

>

>If the I have told my mate in Prague that if he sees Jaz to tell him that 

>I am finished with KJ. I still hope the new release will be a corker but 

>if it is just another mediocre one like the last one then what a farce all 

>this will have been.

>

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> 1. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (fatpotanga)

> 2. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> (Phillipps Marc)

> 3. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Rob Moss)

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>Message: 1

>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:45:12 +0000

>From: fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>I agree with Cliff about the self release thing being a sensible route 

>(Jaz even spoke about the record business needing to adapt Trent Reznor 

>doing that NIN release & making $gazoodles with no middle man to pay) but 

>as Rob said it's taking the easy money.

>KJ are an influential band but they aren't a big band & as such will never 

>make a lot.

>I might be wrong here but I sense that Jaz's classical work & Youths 

>production are very the day jobs & Killing Joke is mountain biking at the 

>weekend but I guess it's a different story for Geordie.

>(BPF situation I know even less about though after chatting with him 

>strikes me as an intelligent, decent man with his head/finances screwed on)

>

>This 'Money is not our god' line has struck me as a bit of a hypocrisy for 

>a long time.

>The cap fit when it was written, but they were shafted, skint & it was 

>over 20 years ago & a lot changes.

>I don't have a problem with any of that; everyone has to eat & do the best 

>for themselves & their families, it's just that mantra is a little out of date.

>Still, I guess you can still believe in the principle.

>like Rob said ideals don't pay the bills.

> >From a lot of things I've been told privately "Take Take, Take" would be 

> more apt in certain quarters :)

>

>I didn't buy Gems but the whole debacle really irritates me.

>Maybe it isn't a fiscally viable product. Maybe there isn't enough cash to 

>release it in the first place. Maybe they're all printed up in in someones 

>loft & they've forgotten where.

>If they can't afford to/refuse repay the advances there's nothing to stop 

>them making it available as a download, as a gesture of good faith to 

>those who paid upfront.

>OK, so it's a bowl of beans instead of a tin but at least it's something. 

>As it stands at the moment, it's "Feather the nest & fuck the rest"

>

>Tour wise, I know the fat lady hasn't officially sung, but it looks more & 

>more likely that she's warming up so I really feel for everyone who has 

>invested in hotels & flights as well as their annual leave.

>Whatever the reason (and I choose to believe that these decisions are 

>borne of necessity not whim) it's worse as it's happened so many times before.

>Repeatedly kicking your (actually pretty small) fan base in the balls is 

>not great PR.

>All this is going to do for many is sour what promises to be a fantastic 

>album before it's been released

>Probably a really stupid question this but is there a remote chance of 

>being covered on travel insurance (any policy?) for any part of it...?

>

>sorry, that was all a bit rambling

>

>

>On 5 Mar 2010, at 08:43, Rob Moss wrote:

>

> > Thing is, they will always take the easy money of an advance rather 

> than put some back into it.

> > Raven was the only one who had an ounce of commercial sense. EVen then 

> he was a bit daft!

> >

> >

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: Cliff Livingston

> >> Sent: 03/05/10 04:01 AM

> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

> >>

> >> I think KJ should seriously do it themselves,release all material 

> online downloadable format,they own it all and don't have to wait.No 

> Product to sit on a shelf and no money spent on middle men.CliffMonk

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>From: "Phillipps Marc" <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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> >He sold his butt years ago and don't think for one minute he didn't!

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> >we all do.

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>I know you do, I have seen the adverts in the telephone boxes around

>Kings Cross

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>(Do you really think the New Yokel In Town line works?)

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>On Behalf Of Rob Moss

>Sent: 05 March 2010 08:41

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

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>He sold his butt years ago and don't think for one minute he didn't!

>

>we all do.

>

>

>

>Ideals are nice but they donlt pay the bills!

>

>

>

>

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> ----- Original Message -----

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> From: folk devil

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> Sent: 03/04/10 11:34 PM

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> To: gathering at misera.net

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> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to

>September

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> Bollocks. Jaz Coleman, corporate whore?

>

> Shake hands with MD, maybe?

>

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> From: karen.weil at sddt.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:14:10 -0800

> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to

>September

>

> It would be a start, at least.

>

>

>

> Karen W.

>

> SoCal

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> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:42 PM

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> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to

>September

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> Why doesn't KJ go to fuckin Universal or some other rich

>record company that has bank and get the album out sooner? Now that's

>fuckin proper!

>

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> ~LB

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>Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:31:13 +0100

>From: "Rob Moss" <rob.moss at gmx.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

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>So far, so good.

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>I find that dressing up as one of the Wurzels has increased trade 

>significantly!

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>----- Original Message -----

>From: Phillipps Marc

>Sent: 03/05/10 10:23 AM

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>

> >He sold his butt years ago and don't think for one minute he didn't!

> >we all do.

>I know you do, I have seen the adverts in the telephone boxes around Kings 

>Cross

>(Do you really think the New Yokel In Town line works?)

>

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>From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 

>Behalf Of Rob Moss

>Sent: 05 March 2010 08:41

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>He sold his butt years ago and don't think for one minute he didn't!

>we all do.

>Ideals are nice but they donlt pay the bills!

>----- Original Message -----

>From: folk devil

>Sent: 03/04/10 11:34 PM

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>

>Bollocks. Jaz Coleman, corporate whore?

>

> Shake hands with MD, maybe?

>

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> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:14:10 -0800

> Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>

>It would be a start, at least.

>

>Karen W.

>

>SoCal

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>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

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>Why doesn't KJ go to fuckin Universal or some other rich record company 

>that has bank and get the album out sooner? Now that's fuckin proper!

>

>~LB

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