[kj] Unacceptable

[Karen Weil]

Thanks for checking, Phil.
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Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable



>I rang Ticketmaster this afternoon and they told me they knew nothing

> about any postponement or cancellation of the tour.

>

> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:27:48 +0000, you wrote:

>

>>

>>Ticket master are no longer selling tickets , tried calling them to speak 

>>to an operator but that is an impossibility.

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>>From: gregslawson at msn.com

>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:15:18 -0500

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>>

>>

>>

>>I'm still not convinced this is a real cancellation. It's only come from 

>>some obscure website, hasn't been on the bands' or any of the clubs sites, 

>>nobody in touch w/the band has heard anything yet, etc. It could be a 

>>prank or just misinformation...

>>

>>

>>

>>Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:49:54 +0000

>>From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk

>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>>If there's solid reasons for cancelling the tour I'm sure most of us will 

>>understand. Sometimes unforeseen things happen that are completely beyond 

>>the control of the people involved. Unfortunately this kind of thing has 

>>happened a lot over the past 10+ years- has there been any Killing Joke 

>>release or tour from Democracy onwards that hasn't been plagued with 

>>problems? A lot of people have made arrangements that have gone to waste, 

>>over and over again, and that can start to become trying, not to mention 

>>inordinately expensive. However, as I said, if there's a good reason 

>>behind these cancellations, most of us will be fairly sympathetic.

>>

>>There is one area which is *never* beyond the group's control- and that is 

>>communication. If there are problems, the fans need to be kept informed at 

>>all times, so that we can understand the situation and make our own 

>>arrangements. We really do need accurate updates and facts whenever 

>>possible.

>>

>>Jim.

>>

>>--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Marcel <spooman at freenet.de> wrote:

>>

>>

>>Aren't you being a little bit harsh? I do know this whole thing sucks

>>big time, but what if they're having a serious problem? Some of them

>>haven't led their lifes in the most healthiest manner...

>>

>>And I don't really believe fans will not buy their albums because

>>they cancel tours. In fact some of us have bought a shitload of

>>albums in the last couple of years full of songs we already owned for

>>a very long time...

>>

>>I also have to say that I find this fantasy about the dead Geordie on

>>stage extremely tasteless - even if it's meant to be a joke. It's

>>deffo not a killing one.

>>I'm grateful for every KJ gig I can see. After Democracy they seemed

>>to have quit and I was very happy to see them return and to get the

>>opportunity to see them play again. You never know when it's over for 

>>good....

>>Give em a break and wait what the reasons are. You can slaughter

>>them, if it turns out to be bullshit.

>>

>>Sorry if that sounds pathetic but it's the way I feel and I had to

>>get it off my chest.

>>

>>Marcel GER

>>

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>>>    1. Re: This: About Raven (Karen Weil)

>>>    2. Re: Unacceptable (Karen Weil)

>>>    3. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)

>>>    4. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)

>>>    5. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)

>>>    6. Re: The Complications opening for Killing Joke in Montreal

>>>       (circusbar)

>>>    7. Re: Unacceptable (Floren Luke)

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>>>Message: 1

>>>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:16:50 -0800

>>>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] This: About Raven

>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>>>True, that. : )

>>>

>>>k.w.

>>>San Diego

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>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:56 AM

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] This: About Raven

>>>

>>>

>>>Paul?s mother, Kate, said it was an ?amazing tribute? to her son, who

>>>died of a suspected heart attack aged 46. Mrs Raven, of

>>>Tettenhall,Wolverhampton, said: ?Paul would have been so proud that

>>>his music was in the film and so are we.

>>>

>>>?He would have loved to go to the Oscars. He might even have been on

>>>the red carpet."

>>>

>>>

>>>Now *that* would have made the Oscars worth watching!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> 

>>>wrote:

>>> >

>>> http://www.expressandstar.com/2010/02/08/oscar-hope-for-music-of-star-raven/

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>>>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:20:47 -0800

>>>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>>>To: <phil.tofield at virgin.net>,  "A list about all things Killing Joke

>>>         \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net>

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>>>While I wouldn't excoriate the band -- after all, IF it is indeed true, 

>>>the

>>>band may very well have a legitimate reason for delaying -- I would write 

>>>a

>>>letter simply stating how heartbroken many would be if they can't play 

>>>live

>>>this year.

>>>For whatever it's worth ...

>>>

>>>K.W.

>>>the States

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>>>From: "phil" <phil.tofield at virgin.net>

>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:05 AM

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>>>

>>>

>>>I agree with this idea. They cant keep pissing people around like this

>>>and expect us to keep buying into it. Long gone are the days when I

>>>bother to follow them everywhere they play, but others do and will no

>>>doubt be considerably out of pocket as a result of this.

>>>

>>>Its things like this, combined with the fact that they've played

>>>virtually the same fucking set list for the last 10 years, that make

>>>me seriously wonder why Ive bothered to maintain an interest in the

>>>band for so long.

>>>

>>>On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:38:06 +0000, you wrote:

>>>

>>> >

>>> >Killing joke need to be told that this is unacceptable.

>>> >

>>> >A letter needs to be written to them letting them how much hardship all

>>> >these cancellations causes people .

>>> >

>>> >   Tour dates shouldn't be announced until they are 100% sure that they

>>> > will be going ahead , its understandable that the occasional concert 

>>> > has

>>> > to be postponed , but these levels of postponements are just 

>>> > unacceptable

>>> > .

>>> >

>>> >  It was announced that Hosannas would get an airing at a venue and the

>>> > entrance fee was ?20..and the album didn't even get played : Anyone 

>>> > going

>>> > to Geneva ?

>>> >

>>> >  Every tour seems to get postponed at least once or twice and dont 

>>> > even

>>> > mention Gems of Power.

>>> >

>>> >Killing Joke need to be told that their levels of professionalism are

>>> >wholly unacceptable.

>>> >

>>> >  Anyone any good at writing letters ?

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>>>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:22:27 -0800

>>>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>>>My sentiments, exactly. If anyone has any direct connection to the

>>>band, please pass that on: We need the official story.

>>>

>>>Best,

>>>

>>>K.W.

>>>SoCal

>>>   ----- Original Message -----

>>>   From: Alexander Smith

>>>   To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>   Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:05 AM

>>>   Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   I'm going to go off on a limb here, but I blame Spinefarm

>>> records. Why? Because, honestly, if you're moronic enough to name

>>> your business venture "Spinefarm," I'd say there's a 99% chance

>>> that you really don't have your shit in order.

>>>

>>>

>>>   An official statement would be strenuously appreciated at this

>>> unfortunate-but-all-too-familiar stage of the proceedings.

>>>

>>>

>>>   Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   On Mar 3, 2010, at 5:45 AM, <jane.shadforth at shell.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>     If it's true - I guess Iain & I will be having a very different

>>> holiday in Eastern Europe. Oh well - shrugs....

>>>

>>>     All trains booked between Manchester & Prague - I'm not wasting 

>>> them...

>>>       -----Original Message-----

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>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee

>>>       Sent: 02 March 2010 22:18

>>>       To: Gathering Gathering

>>>       Subject: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>>

>>>

>>>       http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558

>>>

>>>       I think they do this to us on purpose...

>>>

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>>>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:23:08 -0800

>>>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>>>That's my situation.

>>>

>>>k.w.

>>>SoCal

>>>   ----- Original Message -----

>>>   From: Floren Luke

>>>   To: gathering at misera.net

>>>   Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:56 AM

>>>   Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>     It may have been mildly amusing when Kj were playing the local

>>> Palais and all punters  had to do was turn up on a different dater,

>>> but its a different matter when people book time off work and

>>> purchase non refundable flights and pay for hotel rooms .

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:44:17 +0100

>>>   > From: wo2 at gmx.de

>>>   > To: gathering at misera.net

>>>   > Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>>   >

>>>   >

>>>   >

>>>   > haha ... the jokers at their best

>>>   > but maybe that's not true because

>>>   > .. normaly they cancel later ...

>>>   >

>>>   >

>>>   > wolfi

>>>   >

>>>   >

>>>   >

>>>   >

>>>   > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:

>>>   > >

>>>   > > > http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558

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>>>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:26:38 -0800

>>>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>>>         <gathering at misera.net>

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>>>Good grief, Cliff -- that is one hell of an ordeal. Appreciate your

>>>sense of humor about it, however.

>>>Everybody just keep your fingers crossed.

>>>

>>>k.w.

>>>the States

>>>

>>>   ----- Original Message -----

>>>   From: Cliff Livingston

>>>   To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>   Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:40 PM

>>>   Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>>

>>>

>>>   happened to me and the wife in 2006,had the Alaska to UK trip

>>> ready,drop the kids off in NYC and then off to London and the band

>>> had to reschedule,so we went thru so much work to get everything in

>>> order,off work,off school,and flights,and lucky enuf to stay with

>>> Woody 2 Shoes,we went and had a complete blast,meeting gatherers

>>> while there,and cursed Killing Joke the entire time,haha.

>>>   I do hope everything's ok in KJ land and that you all get some

>>> well deserved fun and do get to see the band when they do the tour.

>>>   CliffMonk

>>>

>>>

>>>   On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Brian Whitehead

>>> <bawhitehead at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>     If this is true I think it'll be once too many for me. I've

>>> ended up on two mini holidays in Germany in the past with no KJ

>>> gig, doing my tour of zoos.

>>>     The cash I've lost is a joke and I feel for those (Jon etc) who

>>> were darting all round Europe and will have lost a hell of a lot more.

>>>

>>>     I just hope the band come up with some sort of 'make it up' for

>>> those who've lost out AGAIN.

>>>

>>>     Brian. (looking up if Edinbrugh has a zoo)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>     On 2 March 2010 22:28, Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com> 

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>       You have to be fucking kidding!!!

>>>

>>>       That's all our flight money down the drain :( :(

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>>       Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:20:19 +0000

>>>       From: tabazan at gmail.com

>>>       To: gathering at misera.net

>>>       Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>>>

>>>

>>>       Oh you are fucking joking!!

>>>

>>>       *unhappy face*

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>       On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee

>>> <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>         http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558

>>>

>>>         I think they do this to us on purpose...

>>>

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>>>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:42:41 -0300

>>>From: circusbar <circusbar at uol.com.br>

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] The Complications opening for Killing Joke in

>>>         Montreal

>>>To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,        "A list about all things

>>>         Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

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>>>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:43:51 +0000

>>>From: Floren Luke <fluke1 at live.co.uk>

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>>>To: <gathering at misera.net>

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>>>

>>>I beleive that that is where the problem lies .

>>>

>>>The band need to realise that they HAVE to get their act together.

>>>

>>>The band need to realise that without people buying their albums and

>>>without people buying their concert tickets, there would be no point

>>>in them existing .

>>>

>>>   At this point in their career, Killing Joke need their supporters

>>> much more than their supporters need Killing Joke .

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com

>>> > To: phil.tofield at virgin.net; gathering at misera.net

>>> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:20:47 -0800

>>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>>> >

>>> > While I wouldn't excoriate the band -- after all, IF it is indeed

>>> true, the

>>> > band may very well have a legitimate reason for delaying -- I

>>> would write a

>>> > letter simply stating how heartbroken many would be if they can't

>>> play live

>>> > this year.

>>> > For whatever it's worth ...

>>> >

>>> > K.W.

>>> > the States

>>> > ----- Original Message -----

>>> > From: "phil" <phil.tofield at virgin.net>

>>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> > <gathering at misera.net>

>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:05 AM

>>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > I agree with this idea. They cant keep pissing people around like this

>>> > and expect us to keep buying into it. Long gone are the days when I

>>> > bother to follow them everywhere they play, but others do and will no

>>> > doubt be considerably out of pocket as a result of this.

>>> >

>>> > Its things like this, combined with the fact that they've played

>>> > virtually the same fucking set list for the last 10 years, that make

>>> > me seriously wonder why Ive bothered to maintain an interest in the

>>> > band for so long.

>>> >

>>> > On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:38:06 +0000, you wrote:

>>> >

>>> > >

>>> > >Killing joke need to be told that this is unacceptable.

>>> > >

>>> > >A letter needs to be written to them letting them how much hardship 

>>> > >all

>>> > >these cancellations causes people .

>>> > >

>>> > > Tour dates shouldn't be announced until they are 100% sure that they

>>> > > will be going ahead , its understandable that the occasional concert 

>>> > > has

>>> > > to be postponed , but these levels of postponements are just

>>> unacceptable

>>> > > .

>>> > >

>>> > > It was announced that Hosannas would get an airing at a venue and 

>>> > > the

>>> > > entrance fee was ?20..and the album didn't even get played :

>>> Anyone going

>>> > > to Geneva ?

>>> > >

>>> > > Every tour seems to get postponed at least once or twice and dont 

>>> > > even

>>> > > mention Gems of Power.

>>> > >

>>> > >Killing Joke need to be told that their levels of professionalism are

>>> > >wholly unacceptable.

>>> > >

>>> > > Anyone any good at writing letters ?

>>> > >

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