[kj] Unacceptable

[Marcel]

Aren't you being a little bit harsh? I do know this whole thing sucks 
big time, but what if they're having a serious problem? Some of them 
haven't led their lifes in the most healthiest manner...

And I don't really believe fans will not buy their albums because 
they cancel tours. In fact some of us have bought a shitload of 
albums in the last couple of years full of songs we already owned for 
a very long time...

I also have to say that I find this fantasy about the dead Geordie on 
stage extremely tasteless - even if it's meant to be a joke. It's 
deffo not a killing one.
I'm grateful for every KJ gig I can see. After Democracy they seemed 
to have quit and I was very happy to see them return and to get the 
opportunity to see them play again. You never know when it's over for good....
Give em a break and wait what the reasons are. You can slaughter 
them, if it turns out to be bullshit.

Sorry if that sounds pathetic but it's the way I feel and I had to 
get it off my chest.

Marcel GER

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>    1. Re: This: About Raven (Karen Weil)

>    2. Re: Unacceptable (Karen Weil)

>    3. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)

>    4. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)

>    5. Re: It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September (Karen Weil)

>    6. Re: The Complications opening for Killing Joke in Montreal

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>    7. Re: Unacceptable (Floren Luke)

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>Message: 1

>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:16:50 -0800

>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] This: About Raven

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>True, that. : )

>

>k.w.

>San Diego

>----- Original Message -----

>From: "Ana Madani" <madanistan at gmail.com>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:56 AM

>Subject: Re: [kj] This: About Raven

>

>

>Paul?s mother, Kate, said it was an ?amazing tribute? to her son, who

>died of a suspected heart attack aged 46. Mrs Raven, of

>Tettenhall,Wolverhampton, said: ?Paul would have been so proud that

>his music was in the film and so are we.

>

>?He would have loved to go to the Oscars. He might even have been on

>the red carpet."

>

>

>Now *that* would have made the Oscars worth watching!

>

>

>

>On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

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>Message: 2

>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:20:47 -0800

>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>To: <phil.tofield at virgin.net>,  "A list about all things Killing Joke

>         \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net>

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>While I wouldn't excoriate the band -- after all, IF it is indeed true, the

>band may very well have a legitimate reason for delaying -- I would write a

>letter simply stating how heartbroken many would be if they can't play live

>this year.

>For whatever it's worth ...

>

>K.W.

>the States

>----- Original Message -----

>From: "phil" <phil.tofield at virgin.net>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:05 AM

>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

>

>

>I agree with this idea. They cant keep pissing people around like this

>and expect us to keep buying into it. Long gone are the days when I

>bother to follow them everywhere they play, but others do and will no

>doubt be considerably out of pocket as a result of this.

>

>Its things like this, combined with the fact that they've played

>virtually the same fucking set list for the last 10 years, that make

>me seriously wonder why Ive bothered to maintain an interest in the

>band for so long.

>

>On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:38:06 +0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >Killing joke need to be told that this is unacceptable.

> >

> >A letter needs to be written to them letting them how much hardship all

> >these cancellations causes people .

> >

> >   Tour dates shouldn't be announced until they are 100% sure that they

> > will be going ahead , its understandable that the occasional concert has

> > to be postponed , but these levels of postponements are just unacceptable

> > .

> >

> >  It was announced that Hosannas would get an airing at a venue and the

> > entrance fee was ?20..and the album didn't even get played : Anyone going

> > to Geneva ?

> >

> >  Every tour seems to get postponed at least once or twice and dont even

> > mention Gems of Power.

> >

> >Killing Joke need to be told that their levels of professionalism are

> >wholly unacceptable.

> >

> >  Anyone any good at writing letters ?

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>Message: 3

>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:22:27 -0800

>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>My sentiments, exactly. If anyone has any direct connection to the 

>band, please pass that on: We need the official story.

>

>Best,

>

>K.W.

>SoCal

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: Alexander Smith

>   To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>   Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:05 AM

>   Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>

>

>

>

>   I'm going to go off on a limb here, but I blame Spinefarm 

> records. Why? Because, honestly, if you're moronic enough to name 

> your business venture "Spinefarm," I'd say there's a 99% chance 

> that you really don't have your shit in order.

>

>

>   An official statement would be strenuously appreciated at this 

> unfortunate-but-all-too-familiar stage of the proceedings.

>

>

>   Alex in NYC

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>   On Mar 3, 2010, at 5:45 AM, <jane.shadforth at shell.com> wrote:

>

>

>     If it's true - I guess Iain & I will be having a very different 

> holiday in Eastern Europe. Oh well - shrugs....

>

>     All trains booked between Manchester & Prague - I'm not wasting them...

>       -----Original Message-----

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> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee

>       Sent: 02 March 2010 22:18

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>       Subject: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>

>

>       http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558

>

>       I think they do this to us on purpose...

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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:23:08 -0800

>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>That's my situation.

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>k.w.

>SoCal

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: Floren Luke

>   To: gathering at misera.net

>   Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:56 AM

>   Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>

>

>

>     It may have been mildly amusing when Kj were playing the local 

> Palais and all punters  had to do was turn up on a different dater, 

> but its a different matter when people book time off work and 

> purchase non refundable flights and pay for hotel rooms .

>

>

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>   > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:44:17 +0100

>   > From: wo2 at gmx.de

>   > To: gathering at misera.net

>   > Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   > haha ... the jokers at their best

>   > but maybe that's not true because

>   > .. normaly they cancel later ...

>   >

>   >

>   > wolfi

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:

>   > >

>   > > > http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558

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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:26:38 -0800

>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>Good grief, Cliff -- that is one hell of an ordeal. Appreciate your 

>sense of humor about it, however.

>Everybody just keep your fingers crossed.

>

>k.w.

>the States

>

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: Cliff Livingston

>   To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>   Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:40 PM

>   Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>

>

>   happened to me and the wife in 2006,had the Alaska to UK trip 

> ready,drop the kids off in NYC and then off to London and the band 

> had to reschedule,so we went thru so much work to get everything in 

> order,off work,off school,and flights,and lucky enuf to stay with 

> Woody 2 Shoes,we went and had a complete blast,meeting gatherers 

> while there,and cursed Killing Joke the entire time,haha.

>   I do hope everything's ok in KJ land and that you all get some 

> well deserved fun and do get to see the band when they do the tour.

>   CliffMonk

>

>

>   On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Brian Whitehead 

> <bawhitehead at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>     If this is true I think it'll be once too many for me. I've 

> ended up on two mini holidays in Germany in the past with no KJ 

> gig, doing my tour of zoos.

>     The cash I've lost is a joke and I feel for those (Jon etc) who 

> were darting all round Europe and will have lost a hell of a lot more.

>

>     I just hope the band come up with some sort of 'make it up' for 

> those who've lost out AGAIN.

>

>     Brian. (looking up if Edinbrugh has a zoo)

>

>

>

>

>     On 2 March 2010 22:28, Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>       You have to be fucking kidding!!!

>

>       That's all our flight money down the drain :( :(

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>       Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:20:19 +0000

>       From: tabazan at gmail.com

>       To: gathering at misera.net

>       Subject: Re: [kj] It starts...Album & tour Postponed to September

>

>

>       Oh you are fucking joking!!

>

>       *unhappy face*

>

>

>

>

>       On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee 

> <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

>

>         http://www.bravewords.com/news/133558

>

>         I think they do this to us on purpose...

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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:42:41 -0300

>From: circusbar <circusbar at uol.com.br>

>Subject: Re: [kj] The Complications opening for Killing Joke in

>         Montreal

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>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:43:51 +0000

>From: Floren Luke <fluke1 at live.co.uk>

>Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

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>I beleive that that is where the problem lies .

>

>The band need to realise that they HAVE to get their act together.

>

>The band need to realise that without people buying their albums and 

>without people buying their concert tickets, there would be no point 

>in them existing .

>

>   At this point in their career, Killing Joke need their supporters 

> much more than their supporters need Killing Joke .

>

>

>

>

>

> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com

> > To: phil.tofield at virgin.net; gathering at misera.net

> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:20:47 -0800

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

> >

> > While I wouldn't excoriate the band -- after all, IF it is indeed 

> true, the

> > band may very well have a legitimate reason for delaying -- I 

> would write a

> > letter simply stating how heartbroken many would be if they can't 

> play live

> > this year.

> > For whatever it's worth ...

> >

> > K.W.

> > the States

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "phil" <phil.tofield at virgin.net>

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > <gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:05 AM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Unacceptable

> >

> >

> > I agree with this idea. They cant keep pissing people around like this

> > and expect us to keep buying into it. Long gone are the days when I

> > bother to follow them everywhere they play, but others do and will no

> > doubt be considerably out of pocket as a result of this.

> >

> > Its things like this, combined with the fact that they've played

> > virtually the same fucking set list for the last 10 years, that make

> > me seriously wonder why Ive bothered to maintain an interest in the

> > band for so long.

> >

> > On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:38:06 +0000, you wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >Killing joke need to be told that this is unacceptable.

> > >

> > >A letter needs to be written to them letting them how much hardship all

> > >these cancellations causes people .

> > >

> > > Tour dates shouldn't be announced until they are 100% sure that they

> > > will be going ahead , its understandable that the occasional concert has

> > > to be postponed , but these levels of postponements are just 

> unacceptable

> > > .

> > >

> > > It was announced that Hosannas would get an airing at a venue and the

> > > entrance fee was ?20..and the album didn't even get played : 

> Anyone going

> > > to Geneva ?

> > >

> > > Every tour seems to get postponed at least once or twice and dont even

> > > mention Gems of Power.

> > >

> > >Killing Joke need to be told that their levels of professionalism are

> > >wholly unacceptable.

> > >

> > > Anyone any good at writing letters ?

> > >

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