[kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics

[Matthew Burke]

Lead!  An old fashioned method, but whatever gets the job done I suppose.  So much cheaper than vaccines.











Good one. Hadn't really thought of it all that way..
 
I still hate da' basterds. Put
 the Bhopal people with the BP a-holes and give them 7 years' hard labor
 at the Chernobyl People's Farm and make them live off the land. That 
would be totally rad (lots of it).
Or here: http://www.truthout.org/120308C
 

 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the 
current state of things..]
 
'Who has the fun.. 
  ..is it always a
 man with a gun...? 
    Someone must have told him if you work 
too hard... you can sweat" 






From: Brendan Quinn 
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 A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
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It’s not entirely the scientists’ 
fault, this situation stems in part from the patent and copyright laws, 
which are proving an unsatisfactory tool with which to try and shoehorn 
certain kinds of technical & scientific research. Similar to how the
 privacy laws are having issues with the tech giants’ access to customer
 information, and their own copyright issues with the ease of digital 
replication and transmission. 
 
The specific problem for scientists 
is that there’s not enough govt funding for all the research they want 
to do, so much of it is done by private corporations and the like (inc 
commercial offshoots of educational institutes). There is a disincentive
 to conduct expensive research to isolate & study the effects of 
genes, if that information is freely & instantly available to 
competitors. In which case it would often put the company that did the 
research into the worst position in the market – everyone gets the 
fruits of their research and they bear the cost. The first to market 
advantage with products from genetic research isn’t significant, when 
there are that many labs around the world capable of using the research 
to bring products / services to the market quickly.
 
The question in some cases is – are 
you patenting the genes themselves (in some cases they are, which I 
agree is stupid), or the methods used to extract the genes.
 
It’s an area that needs a lot of 
tidying up, but from what I gather it stems from the uneasy 
collaboration of scientists and corporate, and the existing laws around 
patent which weren’t designed to cover genetics.
 


From: 
gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
 Behalf Of Matthew Burke
Sent: Monday, 7 June 2010 4:23 PM
To:
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Subject: Re: [kj] Oh so OT - More BP fanpics
 
Forgive my conspiracy theory hair-trigger, but any 
time I see a story that involves genetic engineering I'll take the 
scientist's name and google it with the word eugenics, often to 
interesting results.  

I found this about Craig Venter on a site 
called oldthinkernews.com
 (and it does include links to back its claims).  

And to come 
full circle with Sade's comments at the start of this thread, the world 
IS being run by sociopaths, and like all ruling sociopaths since the 
beginning of history they want to be God, and what better place for a 
budding all-knowing being than to be manipulating the very structure of 
humanity . . . (you can use my google trick with any name or institution
 mentioned in this article for extra credit)

Craig Venter caused many to question his
 ethics when he moved to found Celera Genomics in 1998, carrying the 
study of the human genome into the private sector, using the "shotgun 
strategy" to sequence the human genome at a faster clip than the public 
project.  
In a press release dated March 1, 2001, Celera 
Genomics announced that it signed a "multi-year agreement" with AMDeC 
LLC to "allow member institutions to access Celera's database 
information [Human Genome data] through its Celera Discovery System." 
Some of those member institutions included Rockefeller University, and 
Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. Interestingly, Rockefeller University was
 founded by John D. Rockefeller in 1901 with a dedication to biomedical 
research. Today, David Rockefeller, grandson to John D. Rockefeller Jr.,
 is the Chairman of the Rockefeller University Council. 
Venter further maddened fellow scientists when he moved to patent human genes. Serious ethical discussions took place 
after the first attempts to patent human genes, but ultimately the 
decision stood to allow patenting. The United States Patent and 
Trademark Office issued guidelines on patenting. The American Medical 
Association describes the guidelines,
 
"The rules are intended to help end a bitter 
debate on gene patenting. These regulations have put to rest any 
question about whether genes can be patented at all -- making it clear 
that companies may indeed patent both whole genes as well as pieces of 
genes..."
 
The guidelines allow patenting when the those 
applying for a patent on a gene show a "utility" for the gene. The AMA 
goes on to state that arguments were heard opposing the decision based 
on the fact that these genes were not created by anyone, and thus could 
not be patented. The AMA describes how the Patent office rejected these 
ideas,
 
"The PTO firmly rejected this notion based upon
 the fact that a gene may be removed from a person, then a clone of that
 gene may be made in a machine, which is then not a part of nature, but a
 product of the lab."
 
A search in the online patent database
 for "human genes" yields an astonishing 159021 results as of August 
2007.
 		 	   		  
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