[kj] KJ in China?

[Janean]

<<< By the way, my name translated into Chinese and then back again comes
out as Raspberry Hair mousse. >>>

 

Ha!  Glad to see a serious thread on world politics return to something much
more on my level. :-)

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Rob Moss
Sent: 20 July 2010 23:39
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?

 

Ooops!

 

And you could say the same of the UK USA Australian govts too ( feel free to
add to the lists). 

 

All regimes elected or otherwise, corrupt themselves the very moment they
get into office. 

 

Want to talk about Human Rights? Why the fuck is Guantanamo bay still open?
Why is there a warehouse full

of people who want asylum less than 10 miles from my house?

Why are so called civilized nations still putting people to death for their
crimes?

Why did the UK govt lie and lie and lie about Iraq and the economy. 

 

 

Our problem in the west is that we can't accept failure or criticism. 

 

Why do people have such a downer on China? Without it We are all fucked! 

 

Sure China ain't perfect but it's a whole lot better than it was. It's
moving forwards whilst I sometimes think we are running backwards. 

 

By the way, my name translated into Chinese and then back again comes out as
Raspberry Hair mousse. 

Those that know me will see the irony!!

 

 

 


On 20 Jul 2010, at 23:14, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


The pre-80s era was also characterized by massive human rights violations,
insane and counterproductive business practices and corruption on a immense
scale.

 

(To be fair, they've partially managed to sort out the business practices
issue).

Oh, and let's not forget the Chinese government's fondness for lying through
their teeth about their 'successes'.

 

Jim. 


--- On Tue, 20/7/10, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:

Examples of pre-1980s practices: eliminating many diseases and widespread
opium addiction (and rehab and social integration of addicts, rather
than jail as in the US), and spreading literacy to most of the population
(creating a phonetic alphabet helped).
Some interesting books by Westerners who lived in China during the sort-of
communist period:
"Away With All Pests" by a doctor who witnessed the health care movement;
"Fanshen", by William Hinton, an agriculture specialist
who lived in a red-controlled village and was fluent in Chinese. It talks
about many things, including how party leaders could be recalled by popular
vote
in the village (and anyone could vote regardless of party membership).
There's another book (forgot the name) by a British industrial expert who
witnessed the worker-run tractor factories. He describes how everything from
work hours to child care was decided by the workers, in what 
seemed like chaos compared to our regimented work lives in the West, and
that he saw them produce more than any European factory ever did.
 


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From:  <mailto:karen.weil at sddt.com> karen.weil at sddt.com
To:  <mailto:gathering at misera.net> gathering at misera.net
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:49:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?

In the purest sense? No. But certainly, they carried out more of the
practices that define a communist gov't -- until some free-market ideals
were introduced in the early 80s.

Doesn't matter, now -- the regime there is still miserable. 

 

K.W. 

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was it ever? 
 
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:54:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?

Totally agree with Greg on this. China's gov't. is hardly communist anymore.


 


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