[kj] KJ in China?

[Karen Weil]

Greg: I appreciate and understand that. Thanks.  
As we all are well aware, pretty much every country's government has its downside -- and China is just one major, extreme example of that. 
Unfortunately. 

k.w.
SoCal
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GREG SLAWSON 
  To: gathering 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


  Yeah, I was just backing up what you said about the current regime being miserable, and that they did carry out some communist practices in the past.
   

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  From: karen.weil at sddt.com
  To: gathering at misera.net
  Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:05:44 -0700
  Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


  Sigh ...
  I am referring to the modern gov't's repressive policies, not any accomplishments that may have occurred in the past -- or the present, for that matter. China has had tremendous influence in the world throughout human history. No one doubts that.
  But it doesn't excuse some of the more unpleasant aspects of the regime. 

  k.w.



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: GREG SLAWSON 
    To: gathering 
    Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


    Examples of pre-1980s practices: eliminating many diseases and widespread opium addiction (and rehab and social integration of addicts, rather
    than jail as in the US), and spreading literacy to most of the population (creating a phonetic alphabet helped).
    Some interesting books by Westerners who lived in China during the sort-of communist period:
    "Away With All Pests" by a doctor who witnessed the health care movement; "Fanshen", by William Hinton, an agriculture specialist
    who lived in a red-controlled village and was fluent in Chinese. It talks about many things, including how party leaders could be recalled by popular vote
    in the village (and anyone could vote regardless of party membership). There's another book (forgot the name) by a British industrial expert who
    witnessed the worker-run tractor factories. He describes how everything from work hours to child care was decided by the workers, in what 
    seemed like chaos compared to our regimented work lives in the West, and that he saw them produce more than any European factory ever did.
     

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    From: karen.weil at sddt.com
    To: gathering at misera.net
    Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:49:09 -0700
    Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


    In the purest sense? No. But certainly, they carried out more of the practices that define a communist gov't -- until some free-market ideals were introduced in the early 80s.
    Doesn't matter, now -- the regime there is still miserable. 

    K.W. 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: folk devil 
      To: gathering at misera.net 
      Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:43 PM
      Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


      was it ever? 
       

       

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      From: karen.weil at sddt.com
      To: gathering at misera.net
      Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:54:04 -0700
      Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?


      Totally agree with Greg on this. China's gov't. is hardly communist anymore. 


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