[kj] KJ in China?

[Rob Moss]

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On 20 Jul 2010, at 23:14, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


> The pre-80s era was also characterized by massive human rights violations, insane and counterproductive business practices and corruption on a immense scale.

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> (To be fair, they've partially managed to sort out the business practices issue).

> Oh, and let's not forget the Chinese government's fondness for lying through their teeth about their 'successes'.

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> Jim. 

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> --- On Tue, 20/7/10, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:

> Examples of pre-1980s practices: eliminating many diseases and widespread opium addiction (and rehab and social integration of addicts, rather

> than jail as in the US), and spreading literacy to most of the population (creating a phonetic alphabet helped).

> Some interesting books by Westerners who lived in China during the sort-of communist period:

> "Away With All Pests" by a doctor who witnessed the health care movement; "Fanshen", by William Hinton, an agriculture specialist

> who lived in a red-controlled village and was fluent in Chinese. It talks about many things, including how party leaders could be recalled by popular vote

> in the village (and anyone could vote regardless of party membership). There's another book (forgot the name) by a British industrial expert who

> witnessed the worker-run tractor factories. He describes how everything from work hours to child care was decided by the workers, in what 

> seemed like chaos compared to our regimented work lives in the West, and that he saw them produce more than any European factory ever did.

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> From: karen.weil at sddt.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:49:09 -0700

> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?

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> In the purest sense? No. But certainly, they carried out more of the practices that define a communist gov't -- until some free-market ideals were introduced in the early 80s.

> Doesn't matter, now -- the regime there is still miserable.

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> K.W.

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> From: folk devil

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> was it ever? 

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> From: karen.weil at sddt.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:54:04 -0700

> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ in China?

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> Totally agree with Greg on this. China's gov't. is hardly communist anymore.

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