[kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

[Leigh Newton]

As long as we all agree that Greg is dead wrong.

Leigh

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From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 11:05:45 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???


Ah, there ya go. Still, ya can't believe Wikipedia.

I always preferred "slamming" and/or "slam-dancing," .... but I'm an old poop.

Alex in NYC


On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Wessidetempest wrote:

According to wikipedia

>

>

>Origins of the term

>The term "mosh" came into use in the early eighties American hardcore scene in 

>Washington, D.C. Vocalist H.R. (Paul Hudson) of the band Bad Brains, regarded as 

>a band that "put moshing on the map,"[6] used the term "mash" in lyrics and show 

>stage banter to both incite and describe the aggressive and often violent 

>dancing of the scene. To "mash it up" was to go wild with the frenzy of the 

>music. Due to his affected Jamaican-accented pronunciation of the word, fans 

>heard this as moshinstead.[7] Early on, the dance was frequently 

>spelled mash in fanzines and seven-inches, but pronounced mosh, as in the 1982 

>song "Total Mash" by the D.C.-based hardcore group Scream. By the mid-eighties, 

>the term was appearing in print with its current spelling. Through the 

>connectedness of hardcore, crossover, and thrash in the early years of these 

>genres, the word "mosh" and the dance it described spread across the spectrum of 

>these musics. By the time East coastthrash metal band Anthrax used the term in 

>their song Caught in a Mosh,[8] it was already a mainstay of hardcore and thrash 

>scenes. Through the mainstream success of bands like Anthrax and the later 

>success of Nirvana and The Melvins, whose sounds and culture were directly 

>rooted in hardcore and punk, the term came into the popular vernacular. Moshing 

>is often believed to have derived from the acronym of "March Of The Skinheads", 

>where the "March" refers to the dancing performed by "Skinheads", or metal fans.

>Origins of the dance

>A precursor to moshing, called "slam dancing", can be traced back to 1970s punk 

>rock shows[2] in the form of "the pogo" and was later developed into moshing by 

>the hardcore punk subculture of the early 1980s.[5][9] While many use the 

>terms slam dancing and moshing interchangeably, distinctions can be made in that 

>slam dancing is typically more frantic, with body movements such as 

>arm-swinging, while moshing is slower and more exaggerated.[1]

> 

>Crowdsurfing over a mosh pit.

>Moshing is thought to have originated in Orange County, California, during the 

>first wave of American hardcore in the early eighties at theCuckoos 

>Nest.[10] Early moshing can be seen in the film Urban Struggle. Violence and 

>physicality characterized aspects of the movement and were manifesting on the 

>dancefloors of shows. Slam dancing began as an audience response to the bands of 

>the L.A. scene such as Black Flag, Fearand The Circle Jerks, whose more rhythmic 

>and heavy form of punk rock was being called "hardcore".

>Slam dancing made its way to the Midwest in 1984 at the stylist nightclub Mean 

>Mr. Mustards in Columbus, Ohio. John Fern and Michael Palmer brought slam 

>dancing to the forefront with their ingenious manifestation of rhythmic jumping 

>coupled with a paramount slam into one another as the sound of metal music 

>resonated throughout the popular nightspot. The precursor to moshing caught on 

>quickly and remains in effect in the Columbus nightclub circuit.

>Another form of moshing sometimes called hardcore dancing originated on the east 

>coast, which strays away from "traditional" moshing, in which members of the 

>mosh pit stand in a circle made by other fans, and they perform moves such as 

>the two-step, "windmill", and spin kicks.

>To match the intensity and aggressive nature of this new music, fans would move 

>frantically and engage in stage diving. Beyond audience and band members 

>slamming into one another and leaping from stages into the crowd, slam dancing 

>was defined by "strutting around in a circle, swinging your arms around and 

>hitting everyone within your reach. "Blush, Steven (2001). American Hardcore: A 

>Tribal History. This aspect of slam dancing was termed the "Huntington Beach 

>Strut" (or "HB Strut"), after the city in Orange County where it originated. 

>Author Steven Blush writes of the HB Strut:

>“ According to lore, Mike Marine, a former U.S. Marine and star ofThe Decline of 

>Western Civilization, performed the first slam dance in 1979. Marine created a 

>vicious version of punk dancing. He'd smash the fucking face of anyone who would 

>get near him—especially some Hippie, who'd get pulverized. ” 

>

>Marine and others in the Huntington Beach and Long Beach areas invented this 

>violent dance and soon exported it to the San Francisco and Bay Area scene, 

>where pogoing was still the prevalent form of dance. From there, it spread to 

>the East Coast scenes through national acts such as Bad Brains and other D.C. 

>area natives such as Henry Rollins and Ian MacKaye, who witnessed the HB Strut 

>while traveling.[11]

>Because the early American hardcore scene gave way to and coexisted with the 

>burgeoningcrossover thrash scene, it too became defined in part by slam dancing.

>Crossover into mainstream music

>By the end of the 1980s, the initial wave of American hardcore punk had passed 

>and split into other subgenres. The Seattle-based grungemovement was among the 

>many styles of music that directly evolved from hardcore. In the early 1990s, 

>bands such as The Melvins, Mudhoney andNirvana gained mainstream popularity, 

>bringing with them many manners of American hardcore culture.

>Through the mainstream success of these acts, the word mosh entered the popular 

>American vocabulary and the dance spread to many other types of music. According 

>to They Might Be Giants'John Linnell, it reached a point where "it didn’t matter 

>what kind of music you were playing or what kind of band you were; everybody 

>moshed to everything. It was just kind of the enforced rule of going to 

>concerts."[12]

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>On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

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>>I don't think Anthrax coined it  so much as popularized it. It's a British term 

>>initially, I believe.

>>

>>

>>Alex in NYC

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>>On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Leigh Newton wrote:

>>

>>The term "moshing" was coined in the mid-80s by the likes of Anthrax.

>>>

>>>Leigh

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From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

>>>To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

>>>Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:08:56 PM

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

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>>>I grew up (well, went to college) w/the term slam dancing. Fuck "moshing"--some 

>>>lame 90s media-created term, as usual 

>>>trying to pick up on something years too late...

>>>PS Killing Joke is new wave!!!

>>>PPS Old people rule (ok)...

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>>>From: countessghoulita at aol.com

>>>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:35:45 -0500

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

>>>

>>>Argh, "moshing"...how about "slam dancing"  FFS???

>>>

>>>

>>>CG

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>>>From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>>>Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 4:38 pm

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

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>>>

>>>Was someone on here saying they were

>>>pregnant and still going to the show?

>>>I found this:

>>>" Maybe..it's so big, but.. I mean there's a PREGNANT girl in front of me! "

>>>   ~~ odaboda [?]

>>>

>>>about halfway down: http://www.last.fm/event/1329820+Killing+Joke

>>>

>>> 

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From: "countessghoulita at aol.com" <countessghoulita at aol.com>

>>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>>Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 6:59:12 PM

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

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>>>If I am not mistaken, the lovely lady to the right is Mark Gemini Thwaite's 

>>>girlfriend....

>>>

>>>CG

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>>>-----Original Message-----

>>>From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>>>Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 6:47 pm

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

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>>>> ..LA...some rather well-dressed rockers--like a dress-up ball....

>>>

>>>My friend was mentioning that and how all I was wearing was a beige t-shirt. 

>>Ha!

>>>

>>>And thank god for 

>>>this, http://www.laweekly.com/slideshow/killing-joke-the-wiltern-32136043/19/

>>>I had an otherwise different image of KJfans prior to the Wiltern show.

>>>

>>>

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From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

>>>To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

>>>Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 5:11:32 PM

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

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>>>Wow, what a huge difference b/w the LA and Boston crowds. Boston--people who 

>>>look like they walked in from a sports event, aging college kids,

>>>etc.

>>>LA--aging (to say the least) hipsters, rockers, punks, alternative lifestyle 

>>>dudes, and some rather well-dressed rockers--like a dress-up ball compared to 

>>>Boston.

>>> 

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From: LONESTYLE at aol.com

>>>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:45:27 -0500

>>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>>Subject: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

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>>>

>>>Being at the LA Killing Joke show the other night it is funny how most of the 

>>>people lame. The scene looks so plastic to me nowadays being an old man. ;)

>>>

>>>

>>>~ LB

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