[kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

Alexander Smith vassifer at earthlink.net
Thu Dec 23 11:05:45 EST 2010


Ah, there ya go. Still, ya can't believe Wikipedia.

I always preferred "slamming" and/or "slam-dancing," .... but I'm an
old poop.

Alex in NYC


On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Wessidetempest wrote:


> According to wikipedia

>

> Origins of the term

>

> The term "mosh" came into use in the early eighties American

> hardcore scene in Washington, D.C. Vocalist H.R. (Paul Hudson) of

> the band Bad Brains, regarded as a band that "put moshing on the

> map,"[6] used the term "mash" in lyrics and show stage banter to

> both incite and describe the aggressive and often violent dancing of

> the scene. To "mash it up" was to go wild with the frenzy of the

> music. Due to his affected Jamaican-accented pronunciation of the

> word, fans heard this as moshinstead.[7] Early on, the dance was

> frequently spelled mash in fanzines and seven-inches, but pronounced

> mosh, as in the 1982 song "Total Mash" by the D.C.-based hardcore

> group Scream. By the mid-eighties, the term was appearing in print

> with its current spelling. Through the connectedness of hardcore,

> crossover, and thrash in the early years of these genres, the word

> "mosh" and the dance it described spread across the spectrum of

> these musics. By the time East coastthrash metal band Anthrax used

> the term in their song Caught in a Mosh,[8] it was already a

> mainstay of hardcore and thrash scenes. Through the mainstream

> success of bands like Anthrax and the later success of Nirvana and

> The Melvins, whose sounds and culture were directly rooted in

> hardcore and punk, the term came into the popular vernacular.

> Moshing is often believed to have derived from the acronym of "March

> Of The Skinheads", where the "March" refers to the dancing performed

> by "Skinheads", or metal fans.

>

> Origins of the dance

>

> A precursor to moshing, called "slam dancing", can be traced back to

> 1970s punk rock shows[2] in the form of "the pogo" and was later

> developed into moshing by the hardcore punk subculture of the early

> 1980s.[5][9] While many use the terms slam dancing and moshing

> interchangeably, distinctions can be made in that slam dancing is

> typically more frantic, with body movements such as arm-swinging,

> while moshing is slower and more exaggerated.[1]

>

>

> Crowdsurfing over a mosh pit.

> Moshing is thought to have originated in Orange County, California,

> during the first wave of American hardcore in the early eighties at

> theCuckoos Nest.[10] Early moshing can be seen in the film Urban

> Struggle. Violence and physicality characterized aspects of the

> movement and were manifesting on the dancefloors of shows. Slam

> dancing began as an audience response to the bands of the L.A. scene

> such as Black Flag, Fearand The Circle Jerks, whose more rhythmic

> and heavy form of punk rock was being called "hardcore".

>

> Slam dancing made its way to the Midwest in 1984 at the stylist

> nightclub Mean Mr. Mustards in Columbus, Ohio. John Fern and Michael

> Palmer brought slam dancing to the forefront with their ingenious

> manifestation of rhythmic jumping coupled with a paramount slam into

> one another as the sound of metal music resonated throughout the

> popular nightspot. The precursor to moshing caught on quickly and

> remains in effect in the Columbus nightclub circuit.

>

> Another form of moshing sometimes called hardcore dancing originated

> on the east coast, which strays away from "traditional" moshing, in

> which members of the mosh pit stand in a circle made by other fans,

> and they perform moves such as the two-step, "windmill", and spin

> kicks.

>

> To match the intensity and aggressive nature of this new music, fans

> would move frantically and engage in stage diving. Beyond audience

> and band members slamming into one another and leaping from stages

> into the crowd, slam dancing was defined by "strutting around in a

> circle, swinging your arms around and hitting everyone within your

> reach. "Blush, Steven (2001). American Hardcore: A Tribal History.

> This aspect of slam dancing was termed the "Huntington Beach

> Strut" (or "HB Strut"), after the city in Orange County where it

> originated. Author Steven Blush writes of the HB Strut:

>

> “ According to lore, Mike Marine, a former U.S. Marine and star

> ofThe Decline of Western Civilization, performed the first slam

> dance in 1979. Marine created a vicious version of punk dancing.

> He'd smash the fucking face of anyone who would get near him—

> especially some Hippie, who'd get pulverized. ”

> Marine and others in the Huntington Beach and Long Beach areas

> invented this violent dance and soon exported it to the San

> Francisco and Bay Area scene, where pogoing was still the prevalent

> form of dance. From there, it spread to the East Coast scenes

> through national acts such as Bad Brains and other D.C. area natives

> such as Henry Rollins and Ian MacKaye, who witnessed the HB Strut

> while traveling.[11]

>

> Because the early American hardcore scene gave way to and coexisted

> with the burgeoningcrossover thrash scene, it too became defined in

> part by slam dancing.

>

> Crossover into mainstream music

>

> By the end of the 1980s, the initial wave of American hardcore punk

> had passed and split into other subgenres. The Seattle-based

> grungemovement was among the many styles of music that directly

> evolved from hardcore. In the early 1990s, bands such as The

> Melvins, Mudhoney andNirvana gained mainstream popularity, bringing

> with them many manners of American hardcore culture.

>

> Through the mainstream success of these acts, the word mosh entered

> the popular American vocabulary and the dance spread to many other

> types of music. According to They Might Be Giants'John Linnell, it

> reached a point where "it didn’t matter what kind of music you were

> playing or what kind of band you were; everybody moshed to

> everything. It was just kind of the enforced rule of going to

> concerts."[12]

>

>

>

>

>

> On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Alexander Smith

> <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>>

>> I don't think Anthrax coined it so much as popularized it. It's a

>> British term initially, I believe.

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>> On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Leigh Newton wrote:

>>

>>> The term "moshing" was coined in the mid-80s by the likes of

>>> Anthrax.

>>>

>>> Leigh

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> http://www.nightruiner.com

>>> http://www.tstat.org

>>> http://www.myspace.com/streetmeatmusic

>>> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale

>>>

>>>

>>> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

>>> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:08:56 PM

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

>>>

>>> I grew up (well, went to college) w/the term slam dancing. Fuck

>>> "moshing"--some lame 90s media-created term, as usual

>>> trying to pick up on something years too late...

>>> PS Killing Joke is new wave!!!

>>> PPS Old people rule (ok)...

>>>

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> From: countessghoulita at aol.com

>>> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:35:45 -0500

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

>>>

>>> Argh, "moshing"...how about "slam dancing" FFS???

>>>

>>>

>>> CG

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net

>>> >

>>> Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 4:38 pm

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

>>>

>>> Was someone on here saying they were

>>> pregnant and still going to the show?

>>> I found this:

>>> " Maybe..it's so big, but.. I mean there's a PREGNANT girl in

>>> front of me! "

>>> ~~ odaboda [?]

>>>

>>> about halfway down: http://www.last.fm/event/1329820+Killing+Joke

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> From: "countessghoulita at aol.com" <countessghoulita at aol.com>

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 6:59:12 PM

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

>>>

>>> If I am not mistaken, the lovely lady to the right is Mark Gemini

>>> Thwaite's girlfriend....

>>>

>>> CG

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net

>>> >

>>> Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 6:47 pm

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

>>>

>>> > ..LA...some rather well-dressed rockers--like a dress-up ball....

>>>

>>> My friend was mentioning that and how all I was wearing was a

>>> beige t-shirt. Ha!

>>>

>>> And thank god for this, http://www.laweekly.com/slideshow/killing-joke-the-wiltern-32136043/19/

>>> I had an otherwise different image of KJfans prior to the Wiltern

>>> show.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

>>> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 5:11:32 PM

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

>>>

>>> Wow, what a huge difference b/w the LA and Boston crowds. Boston--

>>> people who look like they walked in from a sports event, aging

>>> college kids,

>>> etc.

>>> LA--aging (to say the least) hipsters, rockers, punks, alternative

>>> lifestyle dudes, and some rather well-dressed rockers--like a

>>> dress-up ball compared to Boston.

>>>

>>> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com

>>> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:45:27 -0500

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> Subject: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

>>>

>>> Being at the LA Killing Joke show the other night it is funny how

>>> most of the people lame. The scene looks so plastic to me nowadays

>>> being an old man. ;)

>>>

>>>

>>> ~ LB

>>>

>>>

>>> http://www.columbiahouse.com/pages/mainSelection/mainSelectionDashboard.jsp

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