[kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
Alexander Smith
vassifer at earthlink.net
Thu Dec 23 11:05:45 EST 2010
Ah, there ya go. Still, ya can't believe Wikipedia.
I always preferred "slamming" and/or "slam-dancing," .... but I'm an
old poop.
Alex in NYC
On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Wessidetempest wrote:
> According to wikipedia
>
> Origins of the term
>
> The term "mosh" came into use in the early eighties American
> hardcore scene in Washington, D.C. Vocalist H.R. (Paul Hudson) of
> the band Bad Brains, regarded as a band that "put moshing on the
> map,"[6] used the term "mash" in lyrics and show stage banter to
> both incite and describe the aggressive and often violent dancing of
> the scene. To "mash it up" was to go wild with the frenzy of the
> music. Due to his affected Jamaican-accented pronunciation of the
> word, fans heard this as moshinstead.[7] Early on, the dance was
> frequently spelled mash in fanzines and seven-inches, but pronounced
> mosh, as in the 1982 song "Total Mash" by the D.C.-based hardcore
> group Scream. By the mid-eighties, the term was appearing in print
> with its current spelling. Through the connectedness of hardcore,
> crossover, and thrash in the early years of these genres, the word
> "mosh" and the dance it described spread across the spectrum of
> these musics. By the time East coastthrash metal band Anthrax used
> the term in their song Caught in a Mosh,[8] it was already a
> mainstay of hardcore and thrash scenes. Through the mainstream
> success of bands like Anthrax and the later success of Nirvana and
> The Melvins, whose sounds and culture were directly rooted in
> hardcore and punk, the term came into the popular vernacular.
> Moshing is often believed to have derived from the acronym of "March
> Of The Skinheads", where the "March" refers to the dancing performed
> by "Skinheads", or metal fans.
>
> Origins of the dance
>
> A precursor to moshing, called "slam dancing", can be traced back to
> 1970s punk rock shows[2] in the form of "the pogo" and was later
> developed into moshing by the hardcore punk subculture of the early
> 1980s.[5][9] While many use the terms slam dancing and moshing
> interchangeably, distinctions can be made in that slam dancing is
> typically more frantic, with body movements such as arm-swinging,
> while moshing is slower and more exaggerated.[1]
>
>
> Crowdsurfing over a mosh pit.
> Moshing is thought to have originated in Orange County, California,
> during the first wave of American hardcore in the early eighties at
> theCuckoos Nest.[10] Early moshing can be seen in the film Urban
> Struggle. Violence and physicality characterized aspects of the
> movement and were manifesting on the dancefloors of shows. Slam
> dancing began as an audience response to the bands of the L.A. scene
> such as Black Flag, Fearand The Circle Jerks, whose more rhythmic
> and heavy form of punk rock was being called "hardcore".
>
> Slam dancing made its way to the Midwest in 1984 at the stylist
> nightclub Mean Mr. Mustards in Columbus, Ohio. John Fern and Michael
> Palmer brought slam dancing to the forefront with their ingenious
> manifestation of rhythmic jumping coupled with a paramount slam into
> one another as the sound of metal music resonated throughout the
> popular nightspot. The precursor to moshing caught on quickly and
> remains in effect in the Columbus nightclub circuit.
>
> Another form of moshing sometimes called hardcore dancing originated
> on the east coast, which strays away from "traditional" moshing, in
> which members of the mosh pit stand in a circle made by other fans,
> and they perform moves such as the two-step, "windmill", and spin
> kicks.
>
> To match the intensity and aggressive nature of this new music, fans
> would move frantically and engage in stage diving. Beyond audience
> and band members slamming into one another and leaping from stages
> into the crowd, slam dancing was defined by "strutting around in a
> circle, swinging your arms around and hitting everyone within your
> reach. "Blush, Steven (2001). American Hardcore: A Tribal History.
> This aspect of slam dancing was termed the "Huntington Beach
> Strut" (or "HB Strut"), after the city in Orange County where it
> originated. Author Steven Blush writes of the HB Strut:
>
> “ According to lore, Mike Marine, a former U.S. Marine and star
> ofThe Decline of Western Civilization, performed the first slam
> dance in 1979. Marine created a vicious version of punk dancing.
> He'd smash the fucking face of anyone who would get near him—
> especially some Hippie, who'd get pulverized. ”
> Marine and others in the Huntington Beach and Long Beach areas
> invented this violent dance and soon exported it to the San
> Francisco and Bay Area scene, where pogoing was still the prevalent
> form of dance. From there, it spread to the East Coast scenes
> through national acts such as Bad Brains and other D.C. area natives
> such as Henry Rollins and Ian MacKaye, who witnessed the HB Strut
> while traveling.[11]
>
> Because the early American hardcore scene gave way to and coexisted
> with the burgeoningcrossover thrash scene, it too became defined in
> part by slam dancing.
>
> Crossover into mainstream music
>
> By the end of the 1980s, the initial wave of American hardcore punk
> had passed and split into other subgenres. The Seattle-based
> grungemovement was among the many styles of music that directly
> evolved from hardcore. In the early 1990s, bands such as The
> Melvins, Mudhoney andNirvana gained mainstream popularity, bringing
> with them many manners of American hardcore culture.
>
> Through the mainstream success of these acts, the word mosh entered
> the popular American vocabulary and the dance spread to many other
> types of music. According to They Might Be Giants'John Linnell, it
> reached a point where "it didn’t matter what kind of music you were
> playing or what kind of band you were; everybody moshed to
> everything. It was just kind of the enforced rule of going to
> concerts."[12]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Alexander Smith
> <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't think Anthrax coined it so much as popularized it. It's a
>> British term initially, I believe.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Leigh Newton wrote:
>>
>>> The term "moshing" was coined in the mid-80s by the likes of
>>> Anthrax.
>>>
>>> Leigh
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> http://www.nightruiner.com
>>> http://www.tstat.org
>>> http://www.myspace.com/streetmeatmusic
>>> http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
>>>
>>>
>>> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
>>> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:08:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
>>>
>>> I grew up (well, went to college) w/the term slam dancing. Fuck
>>> "moshing"--some lame 90s media-created term, as usual
>>> trying to pick up on something years too late...
>>> PS Killing Joke is new wave!!!
>>> PPS Old people rule (ok)...
>>>
>>> To: gathering at misera.net
>>> From: countessghoulita at aol.com
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:35:45 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
>>>
>>> Argh, "moshing"...how about "slam dancing" FFS???
>>>
>>>
>>> CG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net
>>> >
>>> Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 4:38 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
>>>
>>> Was someone on here saying they were
>>> pregnant and still going to the show?
>>> I found this:
>>> " Maybe..it's so big, but.. I mean there's a PREGNANT girl in
>>> front of me! "
>>> ~~ odaboda [?]
>>>
>>> about halfway down: http://www.last.fm/event/1329820+Killing+Joke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "countessghoulita at aol.com" <countessghoulita at aol.com>
>>> To: gathering at misera.net
>>> Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 6:59:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, the lovely lady to the right is Mark Gemini
>>> Thwaite's girlfriend....
>>>
>>> CG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net
>>> >
>>> Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 6:47 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
>>>
>>> > ..LA...some rather well-dressed rockers--like a dress-up ball....
>>>
>>> My friend was mentioning that and how all I was wearing was a
>>> beige t-shirt. Ha!
>>>
>>> And thank god for this, http://www.laweekly.com/slideshow/killing-joke-the-wiltern-32136043/19/
>>> I had an otherwise different image of KJfans prior to the Wiltern
>>> show.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
>>> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 5:11:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
>>>
>>> Wow, what a huge difference b/w the LA and Boston crowds. Boston--
>>> people who look like they walked in from a sports event, aging
>>> college kids,
>>> etc.
>>> LA--aging (to say the least) hipsters, rockers, punks, alternative
>>> lifestyle dudes, and some rather well-dressed rockers--like a
>>> dress-up ball compared to Boston.
>>>
>>> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com
>>> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:45:27 -0500
>>> To: gathering at misera.net
>>> Subject: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
>>>
>>> Being at the LA Killing Joke show the other night it is funny how
>>> most of the people lame. The scene looks so plastic to me nowadays
>>> being an old man. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ LB
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.columbiahouse.com/pages/mainSelection/mainSelectionDashboard.jsp
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