[kj] NYC Reviews? sound issues

[Cliff Livingston]

re mike watt,he actually wrote to me on the KJ fan page on myspace once,and
he said he was a KJ fan,nice guy.



On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:41 PM, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:


> Actually the great 80s US band The Minutemen (whose bassist is now in Iggy

> and the Stooges) had fans fill out a ballot of favorite songs, and put out

> a live lp of those top 30 songs...

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> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:25:00 -0800

> From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] NYC Reviews? sound issues

>

>  Why don't we just have a Gatherers' Killing Joke Concert? We can have it

> along the side of a Glacier and get a nice sound bounce off the massive ice

> wall. All the sound techs and other *cognoscenti* here can run it and make

> every song scream cosmic.  You are all herenow hired forthwith! Visas and

> passports will be handled and given out shortly. I shall cover the expenses

> (someone give me an estimate, please..), all TSA inspections will be

> waived for Gatherers, their +1s,  and all their soundstage gear.

> Geordie, Big Paul, Youth and Jaz will be interviewed (in that order) before

> the show AND to our collective satisfaction and the setlist will be

> determined ONLINE! Yes, albums will be weighted accordingly:

> Revelations/FireDances/Extremities,Dirt,etc.etc.= +3,

> Democracy/Pandemonium/WTF?/KJ2003/AD = +2, rare singles like

> ANewDay/UniverseB/etc.etc. also = +2; all other albums will be +1.

>

> I will consult with the US State Dept. and all relevant nations' embassies

> to coordinate legalities and logistics. But if the National Security Council

> weighs in, guys, all bets are off.

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> *From:* fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <

> gathering at misera.net>

> *Sent:* Sun, December 5, 2010 4:43:47 PM

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] NYC Reviews? sound issues

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>  It used to be that bands were mixed with the vocals as the dominant and

> the other instruments are added to fill in. these days drums are the focal

> point of a mix, where you might be able to hear the ting off the bell on the

> ride cymbol or the drummers flatulations better than the guitar or the lead

> vocalist.

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> But with bass it is even worse these days, as the instrument Is pumped

> through the PA,  when that sound from the bass reaches the speakers it is

> out of phase ( out of time ) with the sound coming from the bass amplifier

> on stage. Phase cancellation occurs at this point which renders the bass

> frequencies into an incongruent mass of mud.

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> The bass issue can be solved by a soundperson using a phase aligner that

> will delay the bass sound coming from the PA until it matches the throw of

> the bass frequencies coming from the stage bass amplifier. This is very rear

> to find sound techs who comprehend such a simple notion however.

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> Solving the drums being the center of the mix issue is easy as well. Just

> mix the drums to follow the vocals and guitar in amplified intensity and the

> mix will be remarkably clear and punchy and powerful.

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *ceplaster at aol.com

> *Sent:* Sunday, December 05, 2010 5:52 PM

> *To:* gathering at misera.net

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] NYC Reviews?

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>

> I respectfully disagree with the one-note live band thing.   While they

> absolutely are a loud live band,   the one-note thing comes as much from the

> sound man as it does from them.  At last nights show in Boston ,    There

> was more dimensionality coming off the stage than was coming through the pa.

>   As far as live mixing goes, the more you try to push guitar and bass

> guitar so you can really hear what they are doing, the more complicated the

> mixing gets.  A lot of live sound guys avoid that so that their mixes sound

> cleaner and more "pro", at least to them.  Also, the bigger the venue, the

> messier guitar heavy mixes start to sound.  There is definitely an art to

> mixing this way, and it is not the easiest way to mix a band.    In any

> case, with KJ, if the guitar and the bass aren't mixed loud and clear, you

> miss a lot of what is going on.       - CP

>

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 12:45 pm

> Subject: Re: [kj] NYC Reviews?

>

> I think another issue w/the set lists is live, KJ are somewhat a different

> being than on record. They've recored albums w/several different

> not just styles, but moods, feels, attitiudes, etc (for ex, the weird

> dissonance of Revelations, the accessibility of BTATS, the arty hard rock of

> Extremities,

> the trance/metal of Pandemonium, the ultra serious apocalyptic metal of

> 2003, etc. BUt live they're a one-note band--all about the volume, force,

> wall of sound, catharsis. So they tend to pick the songs for live shows

> that fit w/that!

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> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 22:41:08 +0000

> From: phil.tofield at virgin.net

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] NYC Reviews?

>

> Spot on...

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> unlikely though

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> On 5 December 2010 22:34, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

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> Just once .... I'd love to hear "Chop Chop" and "Let's All Go (To the Fire

> Dances)". Just once.

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> Alex in NYC

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> On Dec 5, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Wessidetempest wrote:

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> They did do king and queens on pandemonium tour.

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> Devils advocate here.

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> They toured the shit out of extremities before and after the album came

> out. So maybe they're sick of it.

>

> I took would like stuff off of revelations.

>

> Don't really care about wardance much anymore. Requiem still gives me

> chills. I still live the guitar and keyboard riff. I'm glad they arenfinally

> easing up on pandemonium. I liked 2003 so id prefer  something other then

> asteroid. Hell give me one song off of hosannas just because we never got it

> in the states.

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> Oh well. Beggars can't be choosers. But beggars can be gatherers.

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> Chris

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> On Dec 5, 2010, at 3:43 PM, PHIL TOFIELD <phil.tofield at virgin.net> wrote:

>

>  It kind of pisses me off that they seem to completely disregard about 90%

> of their back catalogue now. Nothing from Revelations, nothing from Fire

> Dances, nothing from Brighter, nothing from Extremities (I never really

> liked Extremities era, but Termite Mound was great live), nothing from OTG

> (cough....), nothing from Democracy....

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> It would be good if they'd throw in a couple of curve-balls now and again

> though, Darkness Before Dawn, Song and Dance, The Hum, Twilight of the

> Mortals, Kings and Queens, Pandys, the full rap version of Stay One Jump

> Ahead....

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>

> (ok strike that last one...)

>

> Im not complaining, its great that they are still touring and are still

> sounding so good live, but do they absolutely have to play

> Wardance/Pssyche/Requiem et al. at every single gig? A bit of variety from

> the back catalogue wouldn't go amis.

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> Good to hear that the gigs are going down well over the pond.

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> On 5 December 2010 13:47, Alexander Smith < <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

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> I know Youth didn't play on the album, but would it KILL the band to play a

> track off of FIRE DANCES? Youth didn't play on NIGHTTIME and they still do

> "Love Like Blood" and "Eighties."

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> Alex in NYC

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> On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:55 PM, sade1 wrote:

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>    Same here.

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> Though I'm not thrilled by that setlist (30 fuckin' years*[32+!!]*of work

> and *that's* what they choose??) I will prolly go see them because I am

> getting the impression this will be the last time we will see them Live.

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> *From:* " <LONESTYLE at aol.com>LONESTYLE at aol.com" < <LONESTYLE at aol.com>

> LONESTYLE at aol.com>

> *To:*  <gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net

> *Sent:* Sat, December 4, 2010 12:00:47 PM

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] NYC Reviews?

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> Alex,

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> That will be us too when they play LA. Just enough time for a pee and a

> drink plus  maybe a smoke too if we are lucky. ;) HA!

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> ~ LB

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> In a message dated 12/4/2010 11:54:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> vassifer at earthlink.net writes:

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>  "This World Hell" was my

> going-to-the-men's-room-then-getting-another-beer song.

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> In a message dated 12/4/2010 8:34:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>

> jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk writes:

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> SET LIST.

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> Tomorrow's World

> Love Like Blood

> Absolute Dissent

> Wardance

> In Excelsis

> Bloodsport

> European Superstate

> Madness

> Fall of Because

> Ghosts of Ladbroke Grove

> Eighties

> The Great Cull

> The Wait

> This World Hell

> Requiem

> Asteroid

> Pssyche

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> Change

> Complications

> Pandemonium

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