[kj] More SICK of you so called gatherers than EVER!!!!!
Per G Olsson
Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com
Sun Apr 25 10:01:40 EDT 2010
[Lurking mode off]
From what I gather (sic!), Michelle only reads the
digest. That means that she won't read any replies until after
everyone has stopped being pissed off by / forgotten all about her
posts... ...but then she'll strike again and there'll be another wave
of outbursts. This can go on for a long time...
But, DEAR MICHELLE, I could also whine about lots of
stuff that is being "discussed" here that I couldn't care less
about. But I belive this mailinglist is like being in the pub with a
dozen friends; some discussions you'll join in, others you find
uninteresting and instead get another pint, go to the loo or start up
a new discussion with someone. Killing Joke have a multifaceted
following and I'm actually glad that people think outside the box and
even promote their own favourite bands (as long as it doesn't hi-jack
the list). The last week’s mails made me vote for tracks on the next
Devo album (though it didn't sound as good as I would have hoped) and
caught up on Reatard (that I hadn't heard about - I wasn't impressed
though...).
Keep on rambling folks, just do it in at least a half-civilised manner.
/Per
[Lurking mode on]
25 apr 2010 kl. 14.09 skrev Alexander Smith:
>
> Okay, I'm going to take the bait for a second.
>
> Michelle: Here's the breakdown. Killing Joke have once again
> dangled the promise of new material and a new tour in front of us,
> but then cruel fate intervened (again) and postponed that. In the
> interim, WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU HAVE US DISCUSS?
>
> Are we to sit around and make lists of our favorite bass parts in
> Killing Joke's catalog? Or should we compare and contrast our
> respective Killing Joke tattoos? Or should we wage yet another war
> of words of whether or not "Me or You" was the first misstep in
> their august catalog? Or maybe we should debate who the best
> Killing Joke roadie is/was? Or perhaps we should all guess how
> excellent the new album's going to be...? What exactly are your
> thoughts on these pressing mattes?
>
> My point is this: The Gathering has been fully operational for over
> a decade... and astonishingly, there's never been a lull in
> conversation. We've picked dry the subject of Killing Joke. We've
> discussed them in uber-detail from back to front. As such, IT MAKES
> PERFECT SENSE FOR US TO DISCUSS OTHER MATTERS.
>
> Moreover, we're perfectly entitled to air whatever grievances we
> may have with Killing Joke. We've put in the hours. Have you, I
> wonder? I certainly don't ever remember you chiming in back in the
> day.
>
> If you want to live in a little bubble of myopic sycophancy about
> Killing Joke, that's your choice, but DON'T PROJECT YOUR SURREALITY
> ON THE REST OF US!!!
>
> Oh yes, and FUCK OFF while you're at it.
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Michelle Milarski wrote:
>
>> I didnt get away from all this shit last week like I needed to cos
>> of the volcanic ash in airspace.....so depressing..... and I come
>> on this site to hear something GOOD now n again......but AS
>> USUAL........ you are all talking about A LOAD OF
>> BOLLOCKS......why dont yous all just go n feck off n find some
>> other way of talking bout all your crap.....cos this is meant to
>> be a KILLING JOKE MESSAGE BOARD........n all ive ever read from
>> all you idiots is yous talking BAD of KJ and gossiping about every
>> other band under the sun!!!!!!!! n if you dont believe me, then
>> its about time yous looked back on all your conversations in the
>> last 2-3 moons!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS THE GATHERING OK.............what
>> do yous have to say about that?...oh.....I SIT IN WONDER!!!!!!!!
>> before you all start to slag me off again.....I DO REMEMBER
>> >.....the old board never used to be this full of bull!! Ive been
>> a dedicated fan for 25yr of my 40yr existence..........n even my
>> daughter cant believe the crap yous all talk about!!!
>> Yes its Michelle from Edinburgh again.....stirring up some REAL
>> emotions.......AS USUAL......but Im going to give up soon cos my
>> infection only seems to last a few weeks n then you all forget
>> about why you all talked of me originally.....but that seems to be
>> your mentality!!!
>> P.S. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE>>>>>>>>> no offense to the REAL
>> GATHERERS...of course!
>>
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>> > 1. Re: OT: The Damned (Bob Barathy)
>> > 2. Re: OT: The Damned (Bob Barathy)
>> > 3. Re: OT: The Damned (Alexander Smith)
>> > 4. Re: OT: The Damned (Leigh Newton)
>> > 5. Re: OT: The Damned (GREG SLAWSON)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:09:45 +0100
>> > From: "Bob Barathy" <bbarathy at btinternet.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
>> > <gathering at misera.net>
>> > Message-ID: <FOEJKEDNJGCPNDCAIOIJGEJNCEAA.bbarathy at btinternet.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > C90 cassettes - 'the way of the future'! LOL
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
>> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver
>> Sheppard
>> > Sent: 23 April 2010 18:11
>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > I have The Damned "Light at the End of the Tunnel" 2xCASSETTE
>> comp. via
>> > MCA Records of Damned stuff. I started getting into them when I was
>> > getting into skateboarding & cassette seemed the wave of the
>> future, so
>> > all my early stuff, like Machine Gun Etiquette, is all on cassette!
>> > (Where they make no distinction between bonus/added tracks (viz.
>> the
>> > racks with Lemmy on bass) and normal LP tracks).
>> >
>> > -0liver
>> >
>> > On 4/23/10 11:55 AM, Bob Barathy wrote:
>> > > If you haven't already, may I suggest a read of the Damned's
>> offial
>> > > biography 'The Light At The End Of The Tunnel' by Carol Clerk.
>> > > Very insightful.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:09:46 +0100
>> > From: "Bob Barathy" <bbarathy at btinternet.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
>> > <gathering at misera.net>
>> > Message-ID: <FOEJKEDNJGCPNDCAIOIJIEJNCEAA.bbarathy at btinternet.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> > The Damned's last to albums (with the song writing talents of
>> Sensible) have
>> > been excellent recording too for me and even the mysterious I'm
>> Alright
>> > Jack... is a great album to listen to (but is it really The
>> Damned?)
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-
>> bounces at misera.net]On
>> > Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com
>> > Sent: 24 April 2010 14:54
>> > To: gathering at misera.net
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> >
>> >
>> > Both the Buzzcocks and SLF produced loads of great songs, but I
>> don't
>> > think they've displayed the breadth of talent that the Damned have.
>> > Admittedly, I haven't listened to either of them exhaustively,
>> so maybe I've
>> > missed the fantastic variety somewhere...
>> >
>> > However, if I had to choose (now) between seeing the Damned, the
>> > Buzzcocks, and SLF, it would be the latter every time.
>> >
>> > Jamie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
>> > To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>> > Sent: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 4:18
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> >
>> >
>> > I know I'm in the minority, but from what little I've heard from
>> the
>> > Damned (but have seen them twice--early 80s and about 10 years
>> ago) they
>> > always
>> > seemed to be weak on the song writing (and from what I remember
>> of Lords
>> > they were weaker still). I wouldn't rank them up there w/
>> songwriting
>> > geniouses
>> > like Buzzcocks and SLF (Jake Burns), who've had amazing careers
>> (the only
>> > weak albums I've heard by either is the yellow Buzzcocks one
>> from the
>> > 90s -All Set, i think--and
>> > the other yellow one from SLF (Jump Street, i think).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -------
>> > --
>> > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:49:31 -0500
>> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
>> > To: gathering at misera.net
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> >
>> > Jamie had the audacity to write:
>> >
>> > "The Damned were a fairly average early punk band for DDD and
>> MFP, and
>> > then James fucked off and did great things with the Lords, and
>> the Damned
>> > came into their own as one of the most original, talented, and
>> adventurous
>> > punk bands. Now that's what I call win-win."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Me:
>> >
>> > Dude. (Yes, I am an American, so I can say that.)
>> >
>> > Bryan James or not, pretty much everything The Damned did until
>> 1982 is
>> > flawless. Flawless. This includes 1978's _Music for Pleasure_,
>> as far as I
>> > am concerned, as well as, yes, their near-perfect, post-Bryan James
>> > masterpiece, _Machingeun Etiquette_, probably their greatest
>> overall LP. (I
>> > first heard MG on cassette with the "Lemmy on bass" 'bonus
>> tracks' put on,
>> > but they were NOT as listed bonus tracks, so that always made me
>> think
>> > Lemmy had been in The Damned briefly!)
>> >
>> > Whether Bryan James was in the mix or not, I think The Damned
>> were pretty
>> > much flawless up until _Strawberries_. Especially when you
>> consider the time
>> > period/musical historica context/sociological blah blah blah,
>> etc. :)
>> >
>> > -0liver
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:10:44 -0400
>> > From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
>> > <gathering at misera.net>
>> > Message-ID: <537792C3-2121-4BEB-81B5-03FE64CF4BE6 at earthlink.net>
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>> >
>> > I haven't weighed in on this until now, but DAMNED DAMNED DAMNED
>> and
>> > MACHINE GUN ETIQUETTE are both entirely unimpeachable. Did they
>> make
>> > some patchy albums after that? Certainly, but those two are
>> flawless
>> > in my book.
>> >
>> > Alex in NYC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:50 AM, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of Damned Damned Damned, and
>> bits
>> > > of MFP. But are they great albums? Personally, I don't think so.
>> > > (And yes, I'm aware of period, etc etc.)
>> > >
>> > > Conversely, the breadth of songs and talent on display in MGE,
>> TBA,
>> > > and Straweberries (and the Friday the 13th EP, and the many
>> singles,
>> > > b-sides, etc) was a game-changer for punk. And as somebody
>> else has
>> > > just said, the first Lords album is an absolute blinder as well
>> > > (albeit nothing like as original as MGE etc). So for me the
>> > > departure of James was fantastic news: the Damned were a
>> different -
>> > > and much better - band without him, and I enjoyed him more in the
>> > > Lords than in the Damned.
>> > >
>> > > Jamie
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
>> > > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>> <gathering at misera.net
>> > > >
>> > > Sent: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 2:49
>> > > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> > >
>> > > Jamie had the audacity to write:
>> > >
>> > > "The Damned were a fairly average early punk band for DDD and
>> MFP,
>> > > and then James fucked off and did great things with the Lords,
>> and
>> > > the Damned came into their own as one of the most original,
>> > > talented, and adventurous punk bands. Now that's what I call win-
>> > > win."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Me:
>> > >
>> > > Dude. (Yes, I am an American, so I can say that.)
>> > >
>> > > Bryan James or not, pretty much everything The Damned did
>> until 1982
>> > > is flawless. Flawless. This includes 1978's _Music for
>> Pleasure_, as
>> > > far as I am concerned, as well as, yes, their near-perfect, post-
>> > > Bryan James masterpiece, _Machingeun Etiquette_, probably their
>> > > greatest overall LP. (I first heard MG on cassette with the
>> "Lemmy
>> > > on bass" 'bonus tracks' put on, but they were NOT as listed bonus
>> > > tracks, so that always made me think Lemmy had been in The Damned
>> > > briefly!)
>> > >
>> > > Whether Bryan James was in the mix or not, I think The Damned
>> were
>> > > pretty much flawless up until _Strawberries_. Especially when you
>> > > consider the time period/musical historica context/
>> sociological blah
>> > > blah blah, etc. :)
>> > >
>> > > -0liver
>> > > _______________________________________________
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>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:29:46 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
>> > <gathering at misera.net>
>> > Message-ID: <285198.79403.qm at web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > I'd say they get a "get-out-of-jail-free" card for life just
>> based on New Rose alone. Never mind Neat, Neat, Neat, Born to
>> Kill, Fan Club....
>> >
>> > Leigh
>> > ?http://www.nightruiner.com
>> > http://www.myspace.com/thesunthroughatelescope
>> > http://www.myspace.com/lauderdale
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> > Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 12:10:44 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I haven't weighed in on this until now, but DAMNED DAMNED DAMNED
>> and MACHINE GUN ETIQUETTE are both entirely unimpeachable. Did
>> they make some patchy albums after that? Certainly, but those two
>> are flawless in my book.
>> >
>> > Alex in NYC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:50 AM, jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of Damned Damned Damned, and
>> bits of MFP.? But are they great albums?? Personally, I don't
>> think so.? (And yes, I'm aware of period, etc etc.)
>> > >
>> > >Conversely, the breadth of songs and talent on display in MGE,
>> TBA, and Straweberries (and the Friday the 13th EP, and the many
>> singles, b-sides, etc) was a game-changer for punk.? And as
>> somebody else has just said, the first Lords album is an absolute
>> blinder as well (albeit nothing like as original as MGE etc).? So
>> for me the departure of James was fantastic news: the Damned were
>> a different - and much better - band without him, and I enjoyed
>> him more in the Lords than in the Damned.
>> > >
>> > >Jamie
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
>> > >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> > >Sent: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 2:49
>> > >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Jamie had the audacity to write:
>> > >
>> > >"The Damned were a fairly average early punk band for DDD and
>> MFP, and then James fucked off and did great things with the
>> Lords, and the Damned came into their own as one of the most
>> original, talented, and adventurous punk bands.? Now that's what I
>> call win-win."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Me:
>> > >
>> > >Dude. (Yes, I am an American, so I can say that.)
>> > >
>> > >Bryan James or not, pretty much everything The Damned did until
>> 1982 is flawless. Flawless. This includes 1978's _Music for
>> Pleasure_, as far as I am concerned, as well as, yes, their near-
>> perfect, post-Bryan James masterpiece, _Machingeun Etiquette_,
>> probably their greatest overall LP. (I first heard MG on cassette
>> with the "Lemmy on bass" 'bonus tracks' put on, but they were? NOT
>> as listed bonus tracks, so that always made me think Lemmy had
>> been in The Damned briefly!)
>> > >
>> > >Whether Bryan James was in the mix or not, I think The Damned
>> were pretty much flawless up until _Strawberries_. Especially when
>> you consider the time period/musical historica context/
>> sociological blah blah blah, etc. :)
>> > >
>> > >-0liver
>> > >
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>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:51:27 -0400
>> > From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> > To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
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>> >
>> > True, the Damned seem to have different styles, and SLF and
>> Buzzcocks make less varied music.
>> >
>> > After listening to clips from The Black Album, that seems like a
>> pretty good one by the Damned...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > To: gathering at misera.net
>> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:39 -0400
>> > From: jpwhkj at aol.com
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> >
>> >
>> > Both the Buzzcocks and SLF produced loads of great songs, but I
>> don't think they've displayed the breadth of talent that the
>> Damned have. Admittedly, I haven't listened to either of them
>> exhaustively, so maybe I've missed the fantastic variety somewhere...
>> >
>> > However, if I had to choose (now) between seeing the Damned, the
>> Buzzcocks, and SLF, it would be the latter every time.
>> >
>> > Jamie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
>> > To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>> > Sent: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 4:18
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I know I'm in the minority, but from what little I've heard from
>> the Damned (but have seen them twice--early 80s and about 10 years
>> ago) they always
>> > seemed to be weak on the song writing (and from what I remember
>> of Lords they were weaker still). I wouldn't rank them up there w/
>> songwriting geniouses
>> > like Buzzcocks and SLF (Jake Burns), who've had amazing careers
>> (the only weak albums I've heard by either is the yellow Buzzcocks
>> one from the 90s -All Set, i think--and
>> > the other yellow one from SLF (Jump Street, i think).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:49:31 -0500
>> > From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
>> > To: gathering at misera.net
>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Damned
>> >
>> > Jamie had the audacity to write:
>> >
>> > "The Damned were a fairly average early punk band for DDD and
>> MFP, and then James fucked off and did great things with the
>> Lords, and the Damned came into their own as one of the most
>> original, talented, and adventurous punk bands. Now that's what I
>> call win-win."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Me:
>> >
>> > Dude. (Yes, I am an American, so I can say that.)
>> >
>> > Bryan James or not, pretty much everything The Damned did until
>> 1982 is flawless. Flawless. This includes 1978's _Music for
>> Pleasure_, as far as I am concerned, as well as, yes, their near-
>> perfect, post-Bryan James masterpiece, _Machingeun Etiquette_,
>> probably their greatest overall LP. (I first heard MG on cassette
>> with the "Lemmy on bass" 'bonus tracks' put on, but they were NOT
>> as listed bonus tracks, so that always made me think Lemmy had
>> been in The Damned briefly!)
>> >
>> > Whether Bryan James was in the mix or not, I think The Damned
>> were pretty much flawless up until _Strawberries_. Especially when
>> you consider the time period/musical historica context/
>> sociological blah blah blah, etc. :)
>> >
>> > -0liver
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from
>> your inbox. Get started. =
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