[kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

[Jerry Butson]

Well neither Coleman nor JC001 are white, but Coleman just wasn't very good
at it. JC001, however, plainly was. Come on...it ain't a white/black/asian
thing...it just didn't suit KJ or Coleman solo (whichever way you look at
it).
Ballads: A Southern Sky/Lanterns/My Love of This Land anyone?

2009/10/8 Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>


>   *Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work*

>

> Yeah I mean if you're gonna forbid anything, for god's sake man, pick

> white rap <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAQ5ftTEM6c>.

>

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *Karen Weil

> *Sent:* Friday, 9 October 2009 8:57 AM

>

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>

>  Some would argue "OTG" is his solo work -- and it really didn't work.

> Ballads? Hmmm...maybe "Sanity"? Not sure on that one. No speed metal

> needed, however.

>

>

> Cheers,

>

> k.w.

> SoCal

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'<gathering at misera.net>

> *Sent:* Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:53 PM

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>

> I think I remember Jaz mentioning that they'd never done a solo and never

> would and it was verboten...ditto ballads. Anyone?

>

> I haven't really missed it, but I'd love to see how it'd work, perhaps in a

> collaboration, cover or tribute concert. Yeah I know that's kinda unlikely.

>

> I love a bit of speed and flair when done well, even if it's not jaw

> droppingly skillful. I could pick some 80s metal guitar virtuosity as

> example but I'm sure you know what I mean. In fact I could go as far back as

> mid 60s. Then again I don't know enough about Geordie's harmonics and tone

> to find similar examples.

>

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *sade1

> *Sent:* Friday, 9 October 2009 8:00 AM

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>

>   > making them verboten..

> > is limiting..

> > the song... harmed..

> > without giving Geordie full reign..  [*as opposed to...* ]

>

> Hm, I've never heard it put that way before, that Geordie has

> been hamstrung/limited/forbidden/not-given-full-reign to jam on the songs as

> he may otherwise have done. And though solos/exotic riffs/etc. can open up a

> song's possibilties (as also NOT having any solos/exotic riffs/etc.) to some

> beautiful heights, I personally have *never missed *a guitar solo in any

> and all the Killing Joke work I've had the pleasure of hearing. By that I

> mean I've never sensed any limitation to KJ's song/s that made me thaink*

> ***, hm, a guitar solo would've properly completed or "rounded out" the

> song.

>

> ****HARMONICS: now there's something

>                         I'd love to hear more of.

>

> About the term "metal," I've never thought metal the first - or last - term

> I'd use to describe KJ (especially prior to Pandemonium), in fact I'd be at

> a loss for words as I never would've thought "metal" about KJ. Sorry, just

> not seeing it there. The Gathering is actually the 1st place I've ever seen

> KJ described in terms of metal.

>

> I think as KJ "enthusiasts"<http://scottrodgers.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/fanatic1.jpg>all have to just be bold and also use "Killing Joke" as an adjective and

> genre name.

>

> That all said, I am curious as hell to see just what the hell Geordie would

> come up with for solos. Maybe on a side-project.

>

> ... ... ... ... ... ...

>

> *[looking at the current state of things..]*

> **

> 'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>     I don't want to *sail **in this Ship Of Fools...'   *

>

>

>

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> *From:* Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <

> gathering at misera.net>

> *Sent:* Thu, October 8, 2009 12:48:49 AM

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>

> I suppose their brand of metal has reverted more towards the mainstream, in

> some ways for the worse. That they can pull it off without any guitar lead

> breaks is pretty interesting, I'd love to hear Geordie give it a try though.

> Not that he's got anything to prove, I just think making them verboten

> is limiting if you're gonna record albums like 2003. Instead they've had to

> make each song as structurally hard hitting as possible because they can't

> change the dynamic by going into guitar interludes...I think it's helped the

> song writing from the perspective of intensity but harmed in terms of

> complexity. Technically I suppose it's called industrial metal or whatever.

>

> What I like about the last two is the sheer visceral emotion and intensity,

> which to me is the core metal ethic, squeezing as much as you possibly can

> into a song / riff / verse / solo / whatever. But listening to even 80s

> standard-ish metal, I think they're not really able to go toe to toe in that

> arena without giving Geordie full reign on the fretboard.

>

>

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *fluw

> *Sent:* Thursday, 8 October 2009 9:27 AM

> *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>

>  There is a *BIG *difference between the metal they started out playing

> and clown barf metal they have been playing on the past two!

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>

> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *Brendan

> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:39 PM

> *To:* ' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>

>

>

> They've been metal from the first album, and late model KJ isn't pseudo

> metal it's full blown. More metal than punk over the course of their career

> IMO, and for the better too.

>

>

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENiZLWuDjAo

>

>

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *nicholas fitzpatrick

> *Sent:* Thursday, 8 October 2009 7:49 AM

> *To:* gathering at misera.net

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>

> Perhaps having played the first two albums live recently will have

> influenced their direction.

>

> I totally agree with the points about pseudo-metal, but I love Hosannahs.

> Couldn't agree more about Jaz's vocals though. He should gargle more.

>

>

>

> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:51:44 -0700

> > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

> >

> > Interesting points. I think with Big Paul back in the fold, especially

> > (along with Youth), KJ can find that right mix, also. Too bad it took 20

> > years for it to happen.

> >

> > k.w.

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "fluw" <fluwdot at earthlink.net>

> > To: "' A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"

> > <gathering at misera.net>

> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 AM

> > Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

> >

> >

> > >I agree, the guttural pseudo metal thing has made kj difficult to stay

> > > interested in. I'm not a confused and angry 13 year old boy and

> listening

> > > to

> > > those type of creations from this group of richly talented musicians is

> a

> > > tragedy.

> > >

> > > My hope is that big paul and youth will impart some musicality into the

> > > collaboration...but as always things tend to follow how much interest

> > > Geordie takes in his melodic abilities. And which is jaz's mood at the

> > > time

> > > of production.

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------

> > > I like "Universe B," but my hope is that KJ might go "back to the

> future,"

> > > with the atmospheric rush of "Night Time" (my fave album now and

> always).

> > > And less guttural, pseudo death-metal vocals by Coleman, the better,

> IMO.

> > >

> > > Ciao,

> > >

> > > k.w.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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