[kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's favesis on here)

[Brendan Quinn]

You're right about the Chinese.deal with them is, they are hugely more
competitive than the US because they have no or extremely little social
welfare. So in hard times, there isn't that overhead of having to cater to
people who are out of jobs (apparently the figure in China at the moment is
30 million.). Western economies can't compete. India has the same
'advantage'. Hence we're seeing net wealth flow from west back to east now.
The balance of power is changing.

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 11:38 a.m.
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's favesis
on here)

 

If you don't think the Chinese are CAPITALISTS I have some fantasic swamp
land i'd like to sell you! (I was in Vietnam last year and it was the most
capitalist place I've ever been). What I meant in my 1st post was that if
all energy is green (solar, wind, etc.) then the environment will start to
get cleaned up. And right now the capitalists (including those in Chian,
Brazil, Russia) are the ones who produce and control most of the energy in
the world (w/the exception of people who live in the woods and have a
wood-burning stove, etc), so for now it has to start w/them. 
 

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Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:10:54 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves is
on here)


> ...forcing the capitalists (who care nothing about the planet, only about

making immediate short-term profits) 


> to abandon their oil, gas, and coal industries and switch to solar, wind,

etc.

 

 

Yes, but.. Just capitalists??  As opposed to who (that also fits the above
description)? 

 

   I used to have 2 dogs as a kid who for a while used to fight like animals
and rip each 

other up and leave the backyard or porch a total utter mess. And it was
always the same 

one who started the fight. So - we (me and 3 sibs) erroneously thought -
we'll do anything 

to stop (just) the "dog provocateur," aka the 1st dog -- and the 2nd dog 1)
totally ripped into 

the 1st dog anyway, and 2) still made a total fucken' mess of the yard,
anyway.

 

So, stopping just the capitalists will further allow and empower, say, the
Chinese to continue 

their "full-spectrum" assault on Mother Earth, or the Brazilian
deforrestation of the Amazon, 

or the future possible underwater mining/drilling/toxic-dumping into the
Arctic/polar basin by 

the Russians, U.S. and/or others... 

 

 

[begin whipping dance of the dead]

 

 

 

... ... ... ... ... ... 


[looking at the current state of things..]

 

'Save me...

  save me from Tomorrow..

    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   

 

 

 

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From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:30:09 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves is
on here)

The main way to affect climate change is not the bullshit we hear in the
media about everyone turning off a light, but by forcing the capitalists
(who care nothing about the planet, only about making immediate short-term
profits) to abandon their oil, gas, and coal industries and switch to solar,
wind, etc. And since that it not immediately profitable for them to do this,
the only way to get this done is through revolutions!

 

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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:43:06 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves is
on here)

to all those concerned about climate change just try not to contribute to it
in whatever way and however small that contibution may be 
 

> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:49:21 +0100

> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves

is on here)

> 

> Can't say I'm not concerned about ice-fields full of methane & defrosting

permafrost...

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard

> Sent: 30 May 2009 00:44

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves

> is on here)

> 

> 

> Even if one thinks Al Gore and/or his movie are full of crap, that 

> doesn't mean climate change is. Al Gore and climate change are obviously 

> two different things. The idea of climate change isn't false just 

> because Al Gore's movie might suck. (I wouldn't know, I haven't seen 

> it.) I hope I am preaching to the converted! :D

> 

> -Oliver

> 

> 

> Darren A. Peace wrote:

> >

> > Oh, just read Crichton's State Of Fear for an eminently reasonable, 

> > non paranoid expose of the fallacy that is global warming...

> >

> > Actually, it's a pretty perfect example of thrusting your own head so 

> > far up your arse you can't hear or see a thing.

> >

> > Darren

> >

> > Hungerford, UK

> >

> > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] *On Behalf Of *sade1

> > *Sent:* 29 May 2009 8:52 PM

> > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > *Subject:* Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's 

> > faves is on here)

> >

> > OK, I'll bite: why is Al Gore's movie (incovenient truth?) crap?

> >

> 

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