[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[fluke fluke]

If you are a fat bastard, then stop eating so much.

Instead of getting a bus or driving home and then sitting on your lard ass watching cookery programmes whilst eating a high fat ready meal with a token tomato added, instead of getting the bus or driving home, Walk home . 

  You will get exercise and you wont be gaining calories in front of the TV....and you will be saving the environment  

 

 

 

 

 


> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:10:08 +1300

> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

> 

> The natural state of the human body is to get regular exercise. There's

> not actually an amazing correlation between bodyfat and athletic

> performance, down below a certain healthy level. Plenty of powerlifters

> and weightlifters with big guts who can lift a ton. George Foreman -

> fighting the young bucks in his late 40s only semi in shape and most of

> them couldn't take him down. I totally agree with you. Get down below

> about 10-12% bodyfat and a lot of ppl mention that they start feeling

> lethargic. Not everyone mind, but it's quite common.

> 

> This raises the issue of all the studies that come out about the

> 'benefits' of exercise. Weird way of putting it (in my personal

> observation). If the natural state of the body is to get some exercise

> daily, then instead of talking about the benefits of exercise, why not

> talk about the negative effects of inactivity?

> 

> Exercise has a normalising effect on appetite, sleep (unless you exercise

> too hard too close to bed, which is bad), libido, stress levels,

> depression etc - normalising because it's NORMAL to exercise. Abnormal not

> to.

> 

> I still say, if you wanna lose weight and you only have one option, diet

> is the killer. If you're like me that is and find it hard to resist the

> snacks and alcohol...

> 

> > Well be glad I'm not putting something else in your mouth.

> > (That was for you Darren!)

> >

> > Of course you have a say, I've never argued that

> > point. As far as I am concerned anyone can say anything they

> > damn well please. From politics to sports to

> > music to holocaust denial (why is it a crime in some countries? Who

> > the fuck knows! It's fucking stupid though) to whatever...

> >

> > What exactly did I say in here that makes you

> > think that I am separating you from society?

> > Maybe I'm not being clear enough or using a bad choice of words.

> >

> > You've made it quite cleat that you don't like

> > certain aspects of society (I can't really blame you about that).

> >

> > ME speaking for myself as a member of society,

> > There are things that I disagree with and will be vocal

> > about it, and things that I disagree with that I

> > won't say a word. It all depends on my understanding of the "value"

> > of "said issue". Certain beliefs I keep to myself

> > and certain beliefs I don't. Because I don't say that "xyz" is wrong

> > cause I dislike it for some reason or other does

> > not make me a separate part of society.

> > (Are we going in circles and not understanding

> > each other? Is it just me? Is it just you?)

> >

> > I don't know why we come back to the weight issue

> > so much. It must mean that there is some meaning to the term

> > "Chewing the fat" *ba da dum!*

> >

> > I have to find the link for this.... But there

> > was a study (yes there millions of studies), a while back comparing

> > Fat people who do some moderate exercise to thin

> > people who don't do any exercise.

> > The fat people came out to be healthier in the

> > long run than the thin ones. (Funny I had this discussion at a clients

> > on Monday with some of the employees there. One

> > woman is on the chunky side, takes kick boxing and was lamenting

> > over the cookies she did not eat.) My Cousin who

> > is quite heft and hasn't exercised much in years, biked over 60 miles with

> > me

> > last summer from Brooklyn to NJ and back. Size

> > does not = Health. And let us not forget genetics.

> >

> > However Obese as I understand it, is in a class of its own.

> >

> >

> > At 11:20 AM 3/19/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

> >>You're putting words in my mouth again. All I

> >>was getting at was that I have a say, and you're

> >>creating a false dichotomy by talking about me

> >>as being separate from society. I AM society, as

> >>are you. Don't assert something then go off on

> >>some idea of what I would or wouldn't do, that's not fighting fair.

> >>

> >>In terms of my participation and vested

> >>interests in society, I believe I have a right

> >>to have a say and defend my freedoms and

> >>others’ too. Your idea of me defending

> >>homophobic hate-mongers is way off the mark, it

> >>doesn’t follow from what I’m saying, and it’s not me at all.

> >>Â

> >>All I can and will do to messages I don’t like

> >>is reply with same, but I’m entitled to voice

> >>my opinion that I don’t like certain aspects

> >>of society and I won’t accept being lied to

> >>and manipulated. I’ll…I’ll…one e of these

> >>days I’ll fucking WRITE A LETTER. I swear I will.

> >>

> >>PS: Not to be Mr Contrary, but in terms of

> >>losing weight, if I had to choose only one of

> >>diet moderation or exercise…it’d be diet

> >>moderation. Being an exercise freak I used to

> >>think completely the opposite, but I’ve

> >>learned in losing 6 inches off my waist in the

> >>last year or so…you HAVE to watch what you eat.

> >>I can tell you how many calories are in every

> >>single thing I eat. It might be boring, but it

> >>works. When I don’t know, I make an educated

> >>guess, on the high side. I get a free meal at

> >>work on nights and that’s about the only time

> >>I ever have to make a guess, everything else I

> >>make myself. I diet, do cardio and resistance

> >>exercise (and stretching but that’s not very

> >>impacting on muscle, fat, or metabolism). When I

> >>first started getting fit I fucked up and added

> >>fat, cos I started eating like I used to when I

> >>was a gym maniac, regular meals, high protein.

> >>But I didn’t know how many cals were in

> >>everything, and also ate like I did when I was

> >>in my mid 20s, training more, more active, and

> >>carrying more muscle. It’s challenging, how

> >>calorie rich foods are these days. A handful of

> >>nuts can drown your day’s efforts to diet

> >>entirely. 100 grams of nuts = approx 5-600

> >>calories. That and 2-3 beers = 1000+ cals…then

> >>see how hard it is to work off 1000 cals.

> >>Training at a 1000 cal / hour rate for an hour

> >>is fucking tiring. Much easier to forego the nuts and beers.

> >>

> >>

> >>----------

> >>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> >>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist

> >>Sent: Friday, 20 March 2009 01:08

> >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

> >>

> >>No, Dear Brendan, as far as I am concerned your interpretation is off.

> >>

> >>First off, regarding your opening paragraph,

> >>well, next time someone on the list goes off on a bible thumper,

> >>politician, preacher for trying to impose their

> >>will on the masses you be sure to point out to them that it's all

> >> alright.

> >>

> >>Having a vested interest in society and being

> >>all the things you mention below means that "your" opinion must be

> >>adhered to? I never said one needs to ostracize

> >>or be ostracized. There are laws that we can and should vote on.

> >>Then there are things we should not.

> >>

> >>So next time abortion comes on the table, or gay

> >>rights, which many religious people have issues with (both) be sure to

> >> say

> >>" They might be a son / brother / uncle / nephew

> >>/ cousin / employee / friend / colleague /

> >>taxpayer / consumer / fellow sentient conscious being. They

> >>have a vested interest in society, they

> >>contribute to it, they educate themselves about

> >>it, take part in debate about it, it affects

> >>them and they affect it, every single day."

> >>When a fella is gonna say, "The bible says one

> >>male humping another male ain't right. Now see

> >>here, I don't want none of them gay folk

> >>around MY son and daughter. They're gonna

> >>corrupt her and are a buncha blasphemous sinners". You go tell him Preach

> >> On.

> >>

> >>Re:Weed---

> >>Whoa...... I did not attack weed as much as say

> >>I don't CARE for it. In my eyes and for MY body I have issued with it.

> >>Nevertheless, I think making it illegal is

> >>stupid. See, I'm not ostracizing myself here... I'm just deciding that

> >> though I

> >>personally disagree with a practice doesn't mean I need to ban it.

> >>

> >>Re: friends on weed.

> >>I knew them from the time of early teens. I've

> >>had about 17 years of observation. They're not telly watchers.

> >>There are plenty of people that smoke weed (and

> >>more) and many amazing things. It however is NOT the issue

> >>here.

> >>

> >>Re: Food---

> >>I don't eat most junk food, don't care for it.

> >>My niece and nephews don't get fed an overload of junk.

> >>It's up to the parent to say "yes or no". An

> >>overload of say red meat it is just as bad as an overload

> >>of sweets. Shall we ban red meat? Moderation is

> >>the key (excluding truly harmful substances such

> >>as certain pesticides, chemicals smoke pollution

> >>as you mentioned. When the weather gets nice I

> >>tend to bike to work from Brooklyn to manhattan

> >>everyday. Being stuck behind trucks and shitty cars

> >>makes me understand the plight of street

> >>horses.) However, when the gov't decide to start imposing

> >>all their beliefs (say trans-fats or salts) I

> >>think it's overboard. If they promoted exercise as opposed to

> >>food banning, kids (and adults) would be a hell of a lot healthier.

> >>

> >>I never meant to imply that anything you said is

> >>a "cop out". If it came across as such I assure you it

> >>was not meant.

> >>

> >>What you think about other who defend it, I can

> >>not answer for that. However I think, I've given a somewhat clear

> >>explanation on what/why/how my opinions are

> >>formed... Am I correct? Who knows. I can only say things as I see

> >>and understand them.

> >>

> >>I'll respond to your other emails later. I must head out to work soon. :)

> >>

> >>Cheers Brendan!

> >>

> >>At 11:40 PM 3/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

> >>

> >>You're missing one thing. Ones inherent moral

> >>values should not dictate society.

> >>

> >>That implies that I̢۪m not part of society,

> >>which ch I am, very much so…so I have to

> >>vehemently but amicably disagree with you on

> >>that. 100%! I̢۪m a son / / brother / uncle /

> >>nephew / cousin / employee / friend / colleague

> >>/ taxpayer / consumer / fellow sentient

> >>conscious being. I have a vested interest in

> >>society, I contribute to it, I educate myself

> >>about it, take part in debate about it, it

> >>affects me and I affect it, every single day.

> >>Remove someone from the feeling that they are

> >>part of a tribe and they get ill, they lose

> >>their spark…look at all the people who slip

> >>between the cracks in society. Ostracism from

> >>society (self or other inflicted) can be enough

> >>to cause mental illness, take bullying for

> >>example. We are social, tribal beings, without

> >>it we lose some of our sense of meaning. My

> >>morals are affected by and affect society.

> >>Society includes me! One six point six billionth

> >>maybe, but that’s as much as s anyone else…

> >>

> >>Re weed - I know several people who have

> >>achieved plenty while smoking weed daily (First

> >>class honours Masters in Psych for example), so

> >>I̢۪d hesitate to o diagnose your friend̢۪s

> >>problems as actually ly *caused* by

> >>weed…(alcohol will do a far more effective job

> >>if you want to destroy neurons, plus all sorts

> >>of other nice side effects). If you sit around

> >>all day watching daytime telly, or drinking,

> >>you̢۪ll end up in the e same boat as the

> >>average clichéd pot-head. It’s the lack of

> >>spark rk that̢۪s s the problem, not the weed,

> >>as far as my understanding of the evidence

> >>suggests. Personally I̢۪m more worried about

> >>sweeteners, s, colourings, flavourings,

> >>preservatives, pesticides, chemicals in shampoo,

> >>deodorant, exhaust fumes, pollution, (and the

> >>fact that I live within 50m of a cellphone

> >>tower, work nights, and in an open plan office,

> >>all of which are bad for health…oh and I sit

> >>right next to a fucking laser printer, which has

> >>recently been implicated in lung problems due to toner dispersal…awesome)

> >>

> >>Oh that’s right…I have a mate who won a on a

> >>competitive car rally whilst stoned. Then

> >>there̢۪s Michael Phelps, arguably the best st

> >>swimmer of all time…etc etc. Not saying weed is

> >>totally harmless, but you have to have some

> >>perspective. (Anabolic steroids are another drug

> >>that doesn’t ¢t deserve the rap it gets

> >>either, but that̢۪s another kettle of fish).

> >>Joe oe Rogan has some interesting things to say

> >>about weed smoking, I agree with him when he

> >>says that practically everything he does is

> >>enhanced by smoking weed, he gets shitloads done

> >>

> >>In terms of prostitution – good call,

> >>criminalising it doesn̢۪t get rid of it. . I

> >>have no real stance on its legal status, I̢۪d

> >>¢d have to meditate on that one for a long

> >>while. I was commenting on its moral status.

> >>That̢۪s not a cop out, , just saying I haven̢۪t given it enough gh

> >> thought.

> >>

> >>I think a lot of people who defend it aren̢۪t

> >>¢t being honest with themselves. It’s gotta be a degrading thing to

> >> do.

> >> >

> >>I suppose at the end of the day, you have to

> >>weigh up the harm it does vs the restriction in

> >>personal freedoms. Personally I’m ¢m fine

> >>relinquishing my right - unexercised, so far -

> >>to give head for cash. Doing quite well getting

> >>shafted by The Man already…(it really doesn’t

> >>â„¢t hurt if you breathe out…)

> >>

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