[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[Bette Dillinger]

 Is that what you got out of the 1844 Manuscripts?  You better read them again.  bwahhhh


From: fluke1 at live.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:59:28 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word



 
 
 
Capitalism is about creating Wealth.....Communism is about stealing somebody else's wealth......
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:32:42 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

Before I go on. I'd just like to ask you a few things. 

At what point (according to you) does the "early 1900's"  end.
If you're saying that the party is much different, kindly provide some reasoning behind your statements.
(Not that I agree or disagree. But having a frame of reference would allow me to respond in kind.)

Rather than name calling and saying "No you're wrong" why not say something a tad more substantive?
(Without quoting any Marxian wisdom if possible. Original thought gives you bonus points! Not all thoughts
need to come from a collective manifesto.)

And now for a most lovely quote: (Guess which famous person said this)
"But it's good that on this list we stand up to the few right-wingers--the only way to deal with their ideas is to crush them."

I can see myself atop a hill with the Red flag fluttering madly in the wind.
The sky is dark and overcast, the masses are cold and shivering.
But NO! We will not leave. We will stand up and FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
The sentiment flows through me like the Vodka Volga river when the snow melts.
(and yes I know of your argument about Russia being fake/corrupt Communism)
The orator is shouting madly but I can't hear a thing because the wind is whipping
out his words as if the wind itself wants to join the struggle.
It doesn't matter, I don't need to know what he says.
Look at that passion! Look at the emotion! Look at his eyes bulging and veins popping out!
It is as if the presence of God itself has descended into this master of words. 
(Well, if there was such a thing as god. Don't worry my fellow Comrades, if God ever shows its face we shall crush it as well!)
We shall crush all those in our way in order to show them what true tolerance, humility,
humanity and life is all about. 
OURS IS THE ONLY WAY....


At 10:38 AM 3/19/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

The modern Republican (US) party is much different than the one of the late 1800s/early 1900s, you knumbskull. But your point near the end of the post about AIG bonuses being a spit in the bucket is spot on!
 


Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:27:12 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

Altruism is as much a personal ideology (if not more) than a political ideology.
As a personal ideal I can see the merits. As a political, it becomes an entirely different creature.

You attack republicans yet it was the Republican party that fought to get rid of slavery.
They were the first to ban slavery despite the Democrats opposition.
The republicans passed the First Civil Rights act in 1875.

Here is some info for you to chew on.
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"The Civil Rights Act (1875) was introduced to Congress by Charles Sumner and Benjamin Butler in 1870 but did not become law until 1st March, 1875. It promised that all persons, regardless of race, color, or previous condition, was entitled to full and equal employment of accommodation in "inns, public conveyances on land or water, theaters, and other places of public amusement." 

In 1883 the Supreme Court declared the act as unconstitutional and asserted that Congress did not have the power to regulate the conduct and transactions of individuals."

Many of the provisions that were later passed in the 1960's were taken from the original act.
And this was only accomplished after overcoming a Democrat filibuster.
Here are the yea-nea
Democratic Party: 152-96   (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34   (80%-20%)

The Senate version:
Democratic Party: 46-21   (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6   (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:
Democratic Party: 153-91   (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35   (80%-20%)

Republicans led the fight for women’s rights, and most suffragists were Republicans. In fact, Susan B. Anthony bragged about how, after voting (illegally) in 1872, she had voted a straight Republican ticket. The suffragists included two African-American women who were also co-founders of the NAACP: Ida Wells and Mary Terrell, Republicans, both of them.

Republican Senator Aaron Sargent wrote the women’s suffrage amendment in 1878,though it would not be passed by Congress until Republicans again won control of both houses 40 years later. It was in 1916 that the first woman was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, Republican Jeannette Rankin. The first woman mayor was elected in 1926, the Honorable Bertha Landes of Seattle, another Republican.      

The KKK was from the Democrat wing and attacked many republicans (not to mention all the others they bore hatred for).

It was the party that made it possible for Obama to be where he is today.
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I hate gaudy shopping malls, I hate annoying ads and I hate lots of shit out there. I can't stand the radio for the most part either.
I lament everyday the loss of the vibe that NYC once had and is now a yuppified condo filled blob of land. I don't own ANY designer
brand name shirts, pants, socks, belts etc... 

"All the millions of ppl. trudging to work everyday to a job they hate."
Ahhhhh, so there should be no work? Would it be ok to say at least they HAVE jobs and some sort of income?
Do we have to enjoy everything in life? Are we all just gonna sit around in dance and song and advance, grow healthier,
more educated, watch as food miraculously pops into our mouths while we lose the need for malaria shots? 
In the US one of the biggest issues of the poor and under privileged is OBESITY. Imagine that! 

Is that cloud of doom you see because of shitty jobs or is it becomes lives today have nothing to strive for and are 
empty and meaningless. Are all these faces only in "Capitalist countries"?

I think my mother who came from Russia would have quite a different opinion than you and would probably be able to give
you some insight how it was to live as a Jew under the Russian communist rule. (in whatever form you care to call it)

"Political lobbying by vested interests": That applies to all parties throughout time. If you think this is a trade unique to
Capitalism, you are sadly very mistaken. 

"People think they are better than other ppl. based on income bracket": Once again, that is not a Capitalist creation, nor a Republican
nor a Democrat, nor Communist, nor Marxist, nor Trostskyite, nor Bolshevik.... I hope you get the point by now.

"Plastic pieces of shit": I hate that as well and I am quite picky with what I purchase. You get what you pay for. If you don't like it
don't buy it. If you don't buy it they won't make it (unless the Gov't/Nancy Pelosi/Obama forces the car manufacturers to make more green
cars that no one seems to be buying). Did you ever think that the little plastic piece of shit can actually bring joy to a poor family who can't
afford anything quite grandiose?

You might say "ahhh those filthy Capitalist pigs, they're just brainwashing the kids with all those toys and garbage." the poor parent might 
see it as "geee, my kids friend has an Ipod and can listen to music all the time but I can't afford to get one for my kid, well at least I can get 
my child some other sort of player."

Excused me, no one is being forced to do anything. At least not in the US. What exactly IS a soulful job? What exactly are we
supposed to be seeing/doing? You've yet to describe that. 

Capitalism took a small country and turned it into a megapower faster than any other nation. Everything has it's faults and everything
can be exploited. You seem to not grasp this idea and just focus on your bloodlust for "Capitalism". There ought to be checks and
balances with proper implementation, when it's not there... People get corrupt. It's everywhere buddy.

Another little heads up, Most conservative republicans (and Democrats) were against the bail out, still are against the bailout.
All the masses of cash flowing is coming from Senior Obama. I love it how people are all shouting bloody murder about the 165 Million "Bonus"
that AIG is giving out while that is a SPIT in the bucket compared to how our Gov't just totally ass raped us!

Other than trying to catch up with religion in the amount of people killed and tortured in the name of "ideals" and having books banned,
censored, and people exiled. I can't quite bring to mind any great additions to society that have come from Marxist ideals.

Next time you feel like saying the word "Republican" with venom I hope the short (but lengthy for an Email) quick recap of the
"Republicans" comes to mind.


At 11:44 PM 3/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:


Most sane people wouldn’t claim that altruism is a trait exclusive to one political ideology, I wouldn’t bother continuing a conversation with anyone that did – what’s the point?

 

I just dunno how anyone could defend modern capitalism – gaudy shopping malls, whole neighbourhoods full of soulless advertising that’s impossible to avoid (yes, I’ve been to LA…some parts of it gave me the total shits), cynical advertising steered by psychologists, aimed at kids, selling unnatural chemical concoctions as ‘food’, all the millions of people trudging to work every day at a job they hate (I’m so glad I don’t have to take the bus in to work in the mornings anymore because the cloud of doom amongst the condemned is depressing…), political (monetary) lobbying by powerful vested interests, people thinking they are better than other people because of their income bracket, planned obsolescence, plastic pieces of shit that don’t last 3 months, landfill full of heavy metals…Republicans… 

 

People being FORCED to help out is NOT acceptable.

 

People being forced to work 40 hours a week at soulless jobs isn’t a great state of affairs either, being forced to put up with pollution, rampant destruction of natural resources, getting one vote every 4 years that means practically nothing in the scheme of things, getting ripped off by corporations and then expected to pay to bail them out…etc etc. 

 

 





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