[kj] (OT) NIN

[The Exorcist]

Well then, you might just enjoy this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILhJs8BLcTQ
RHCP - Under The Bridge (Literal video version)

At 09:32 PM 2/19/2009, Brendan wrote:

>Oh please don't get me going about RHCP, can't stand em. NIN I can still

>listen to, but most of RHCP gives me the total shits.

>

> > I think I would have to agree that the Lollapalooser tours and bands like

> > Jane's, NIN (plus RHCP, RATM etc etc) did have a hefty influence on the US

> > alternative scene...

> >

> > --- On Fri, 20/2/09, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

> >

> > From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) NIN

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > <gathering at misera.net>

> > Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 1:54 AM

> >

> > Trentnor reckons he invented alternative music, Lollapaloser, and paved

> > the way for Nirvana:

> >

> > http://www.nin.com/

> >

> >>

> >> I read in one review that Trent Reznor is an heir to a large fortune.  I

> >> am not saying money is happiness, but it does make a nice down payment.

> >> Do any of the musos floating around here know what he is heir to?  It is

> >> something electrical (I am *so* technical in my descriptions, I

> >> know)........

> >>

> >>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:37:48 +1300

> >>> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> >>> To: gathering at misera.net

> >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Jane's Addiction at Echoplex in LA Last

> > Night

> >>>

> >>> Gonna be 'interesting' to see how the NIN / Jane's

> > Addiction shows pan

> >>> out.

> >>>

> >>> My impressions of last night's NIN gig:

> >>>

> >>> Meh. With the emphasis on the 'eh'.

> >>>

> >>> I TRIED to like NIN. I went to all the effort of stealing

> > Trentnor's

> >>> life's work, listening to it on train and plane journeys, walking

> > in to

> >>> work and feeling incongruously anti-social (and anachronistic) while

> >>> docile passersby passed by, oblivious to the fact that I was listening

> >>> to

> >>> something that sounded like a hardcore remake of the Metropolis

> >>> soundtrack

> >>> (1994 Crack Remix).

> >>>

> >>> ...familiarised myself with Pretty Hate Machine (I passed on the 2/3

> > of

> >>> his album collection where he remixes his own stuff…yawn), which I

> > had

> >>> never picked up before because of the awful name.

> >>>

> >>> So I was relatively familiar with NIN, at least moreso than

> > previously,

> >>> when my appreciation was limited to the Quake soundtrack (sounds like

> >>> Tool

> >>> lite) and "that song that Johnny Cash does better." And

> > Perfect

> >>> Drug...which always had me scratching my head as to why it was on such

> >>> high rotate. (Surely these guys do better stuff than this?)

> >>>

> >>> The opening band's promo photo looked so shit I didn't even

> > bother

> >>> listening to anything online to see what they were like. (This

> >>> admittedly

> >>> renders the rest of my review useless due to extreme prejudice but

> >>> hey...just being honest. Don't pretend you're not the same).

> >>>

> >>> NIN - sound quality was mildly mucky, not awful, and probably not

> > their

> >>> fault. Smallish crowd for the venue (half to two thirds of the ~10 000

> >>> seat venue filled). Good light show, basic but good impact.

> >>> Overall...some

> >>> pretty solid material. A fair bit of it sounds samey to me, and I

> > really

> >>> wouldn’t rate them up there with their 90s contemporaries

> > (Soundgarden,

> >>> Tool, Rage Against the Machine, Ministry) for impact, depth, breadth,

> > or

> >>> range. Anyway, a *relatively* solid gig, but a few things gave away

> > that

> >>> it was a phone-in, in a disappointing way. Practically no

> >>> acknowledgement

> >>> of the crowd, no encore, and “this is probably going to be our last

> > show

> >>> in New Zealand" quoth Trentnor half-way through, in one of the

> > perhaps

> >>> two

> >>> times he deigned to address the audience. Seemed to fuck half the

> >>> audience

> >>> off, and rightly so. That was it, not "hey this might be the last

> > time I

> >>> play here so let's rip shit up." More like..."this is

> > probably the last

> >>> time I'm gonna fuck you up the ass, not sure if I can come,

> > anyway, just

> >>> thought I'd share...FYI. Now breathe out and clench."

> >>>

> >>> Yeah no worries, thanks for the newsflash, it's certainly gonna be

> > the

> >>> last time you get any money from me (I bought 2 tix), and a lot of

> >>> others

> >>> in the crowd like me who have seen better, more considerate bands try

> > to

> >>> disguise a phone-in, or dredge up enough energy from the crowd to find

> >>> some reason to enjoy being there.

> >>>

> >>> No encore despite most of the crowd giving it heaps for 10 mins,

> > futiley

> >>> as the stage was dismantled immediately the black-clad phoners in

> > left.

> >>>

> >>> That was the more objective impression. This is what part of me really

> >>> thinks:

> >>>

> >>> Go home and polish your Grammys and play Hurt to yourself on your

> > synth

> >>> you never-really-has-been. There's a reason I wasn't into NIN

> > and I'm

> >>> glad

> >>> I had my suspicions confirmed. 80% of their songs sound the same. Sub

> >>> par

> >>> lyrics, predictable anthems for 14-year old sexually ambivalent teens

> > to

> >>> half-heartedly self-harm to in the privacy of their bedrooms in

> > between

> >>> Evanescence CDs.

> >>>

> >>> Note to self: Don't ever bend over backwards trying to like

> > something

> >>> you

> >>> don't.

> >>>

> >>> > Jane's Addiction, reunited with original bass player Eric

> > Avery has

> >>> been

> >>> > doing a few low key warm-up bar and club shows in LA the past few

> >>> months

> >>> > before they go out on tour with Nine Inch Nails in late Spring. I

> >>> caught

> >>> > last night's show at the Echoplex club which was their third

> >>> appearance

> >>> > together since all four members began working together again.

> >>> >

> >>> > It turned out to be an excellent if short show, mostly better

> > than the

> >>> > tiny

> >>> > El Cid bar show #2 which I caught last December. Only things I

> > think

> >>> El

> >>> > Cid

> >>> > was marginally better was being a tiny club, much more intense

> > energy

> >>> from

> >>> > the crowd that show. I think Perry sounded better there as well.

> >>> >

> >>> > It had been raining really hard much of the day in Southern

> > California

> >>> and

> >>> > I

> >>> > was really on the fence about going or not right up to about 6pm.

> > I

> >>> went

> >>> > for it and got to the Echoplex (in Echo Park) around 8:15 and a

> > huge

> >>> line

> >>> > of 200 - 300 people was winding along the building and it quickly

> >>> because

> >>> > obvious some people didn't have or even know about the RSVP

> > thing.

> >>> Light

> >>> > rain had just stopped and it was cool but at least dry. The line

> >>> started

> >>> > moving as they left small groups of about 10 - 15 people in at a

> > time

> >>> to

> >>> > get

> >>> > their ID checked for a wristband, then get their ID checked

> > against a

> >>> list

> >>> > at the door from the website registration rsvps. Saw a couple

> > people

> >>> > turned

> >>> > away in front of me but later saw them inside so its possible

> > they had

> >>> > enough room for people who basically walked up to see the show

> > after

> >>> the

> >>> > majority of RSVP'ers got in. Considering my own feelings this

> > method

> >>> of

> >>> > getting people in the show could have turned into a real mess, it

> >>> seems

> >>> > like

> >>> > it turned out to be well run with few problems.

> >>> >

> >>> > My first time at Echoplex. Kind of a weird room, the mixing desk

> > kinda

> >>> > bisects the club in half so if your in the back, you gotta stand

> > on

> >>> some

> >>> > boxes to get a decent view. Pretty laid back, almost too mellow

> > of a

> >>> > crowd

> >>> > especially for the opening band "Dot," which was kind

> > of a more

> >>> ambient,

> >>> > dissonant noise version of Secret Machines. Band shows some

> > promise,

> >>> but

> >>> > the singer was hardly audible, partly because he rarely projected

> >>> himself

> >>> > but moreso because the vocals were mixed way too far down (same

> > for

> >>> Perry

> >>> > during Jane's set). They got a decent response from the

> > crowd, more

> >>> > respect

> >>> > than actual adoration. Frankly, I thought they were boring.

> >>> >

> >>> > There was a long wait, made somewhat manageable by the selections

> >>> whoever

> >>> > was DJ'ing played a good amount of Killing Joke

> > ("Change"), Bauhaus,

> >>> > Cramps

> >>> > ("New Kind Of Kick" got a huge response), Bowie and a

> > few other favs

> >>> on

> >>> > the

> >>> > PA.

> >>> >

> >>> > About 11:15, Jane's strolled on the stage and ground into Up

> > The

> >>> Beach. I

> >>> > think it was played half a step down and a bit slower. Eric had

> > more

> >>> room

> >>> > to

> >>> > prowl and stomp tonight so he'd either be doing his tribal

> > stomp to

> >>> songs

> >>> > like Mountain Song or Ocean Size or locked into his zone often

> > staring

> >>> up

> >>> > at

> >>> > the ceiling playing Pigs in Zen. Tonight, Dave was more on the

> > mark

> >>> most

> >>> > of

> >>> > the show that the 2nd show, Perkins was simply 100% a precision

> > human

> >>> > piledriver. The man is simply an incredible drummer. Perry

> >>> unfortunately

> >>> > I

> >>> > have to say was the weak link. Not a lot of power in his voice,

> > didn't

> >>> > really make a lot of use of his little echo toolbox and took a

> > lot

> >>> longer

> >>> > than the rest of the band to loosen up as the set progressed. I

> > will

> >>> say

> >>> > when they got to Been Caught Stealing, he was up with the rest of

> > the

> >>> band

> >>> > and loosened up enough to bullshit and introduce most of the

> > remaining

> >>> > songs.

> >>> >

> >>> > I do think in a lot of ways this reunion, especially how Perry

> > carries

> >>> > himself these days reminds me of the recent David Lee Roth/Van

> > Halen

> >>> > reunion

> >>> > in the way both frontmen have dropped the more manic, physical

> > aspect

> >>> of

> >>> > their stage persona due to age and are more like Vegas car

> > dealers

> >>> doing

> >>> > their shtick for the rubes. At times, Perry was genuinely funny

> > but

> >>> when

> >>> > he

> >>> > used forced, awkward analogies to introduce each of the last few

> >>> songs, it

> >>> > got hackneyed.

> >>> >

> >>> > Most of the songs from a performance standpoint sounded

> > excellent.

> >>> > Mountain

> >>> > Song is played by Dave a bit differently now, a bit more RAWK!

> > like

> >>> > someone

> >>> > like Billy Duffy would play the tune. The band was very tight

> > with one

> >>> > major

> >>> > exception. The only song I thought kinda missed the mark was the

> > one I

> >>> was

> >>> > most excited to hear, Ted, which lacked an "edge"

> > it's had in the past

> >>> and

> >>> > never really got out of third gear and came close to falling

> > apart the

> >>> > last

> >>> > couple minutes as the band kind of careened a bit out of time

> > with

> >>> each

> >>> > other.

> >>> >

> >>> > But I'll tell you what, "Stop" was fucking perfect.

> > Clearly the best

> >>> > performed song of the set and got great audience participation.

> > "Had a

> >>> > Dad"

> >>> > and "Ocean Size" ended the 2 song encore and the short

> > barely hour

> >>> long

> >>> > set

> >>> > was done.

> >>> >

> >>> >>From a crowd standpoint, the asshole factor was low but there

> > were a

> >>> few

> >>> > lobcocks who'd careen around like big, sweaty, smelly

> > dreidels. One

> >>> > grinning drunk slob who looked like Seth Rogan got hoisted up for

> > some

> >>> > crowd

> >>> > surfing and got maybe 5 feet before being dumped on the ground

> > like a

> >>> sack

> >>> > of shit. He later wound up getting on the stage on Erics side and

> > then

> >>> > flopped off the stage like a beached whale.

> >>> >

> >>> > All n' all though, a great night even if it was too short and

> > I

> >>> *really*

> >>> > wanted to hear "Three Days."

> >>> >

> >>> > Setlist:

> >>> >

> >>> > Up The Beach

> >>> > Trip Away (on the setlist but not played)

> >>> > Whores

> >>> > 1%

> >>> > Ain't No Right

> >>> > Mountain Song

> >>> > Been Caught Stealing

> >>> > Ted Just Admit It.

> >>> > Stop!

> >>> > (encore)

> >>> > Had a Dad

> >>> > Ocean Size

> >>> >

> >>> > T.B.

> >>> >

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