[kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

[Karen Weil]

And just remember, Milinda: You'll always have that cheeseburger. ; )  Jim Kerr never bought me one, dammit. 

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: melinda grant 
  To: gathering at misera.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...


  actually-talking of simple minds- i was in the wimpy cafe-remember those-in bristol back in 80 one afternoon,i was short of a bit of cash,guess who walked in-lead singer from simple minds,we struck up a conforsation and he ended up buying me a cheese burger ;D hes  a real nice bloke i have nothing against him,and their music is ok ;)
   
  milindafgrant ps simple minds were playing the colston hall in bristol that night
   
  > From: dpeace at bigfoot.com
  > To: gathering at misera.net
  > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:35:23 +0100
  > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > 
  > I guess so. Stadium Rock periods are seldom forgiven, unless it was clear
  > from the start that it was the intention.
  > 
  > And the early Simple Minds albums (Empires & Dance, Sons & Fascination & New
  > Gold Dream) are all excellent, and there are things to like about the others
  > too.
  > 
  > Although the cover of "A Song From Under The Floorboards" on the bonus disc
  > with the new album is an ABOMINATION.
  > 
  > Darren
  > Hungerford, UK
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
  > Behalf Of Brendan
  > Sent: 10 June 2009 11:25 AM
  > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > 
  > So tell me, is it the U2 aspirations / comparisons that have the daggers
  > drawn for Simple Minds? I honestly thought for a long time that Waterfront
  > was a U2 track. Very Bono.
  > 
  > Then again, I was convinced until recently that dogs couldn't look up.
  > 
  > > I'd imagine it's the Simple Minds influence that appealed to me.
  > >
  > > Darren
  > > Hungerford, UK
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
  > > On
  > > Behalf Of Brendan
  > > Sent: 10 June 2009 11:07 AM
  > > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  > > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >
  > > *INTENTIONALLY LOUD SNICKER*
  > >
  > >>>From what Jaz said at the time, it was certainly intended as a KJ album.
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> And I quite like it. You can all fuck off.
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> Darren
  > >>
  > >> Hungerford, UK
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
  > >> On
  > >> Behalf Of MichaelHead at HBOSplc.com
  > >> Sent: 10 June 2009 8:48 AM
  > >> To: gathering at misera.net
  > >> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> thanks for the references. still reads to me that OTG started life as a
  > >> fully fledged KJ album.
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> _____
  > >>
  > >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
  > >> On
  > >> Behalf Of sade1
  > >> Sent: 10 June 2009 01:50
  > >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  > >> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>
  > >> IIRC from interviews at the time, it was some kind of Jaz project where
  > >> the
  > >> guys played but after fighting with Jaz either or both of the 2 Pauls
  > >> refused to have their names on it and basically ordered to Jaz to remove
  > >> the
  > >> names (for sure Raven did, acc. to Raven). It was all repackaged as KJ
  > >> by
  > >> The (Music) Man in order for The Man to recoup the costs of the album -
  > >> so
  > >> i
  > >> guess all their names went back on it for that reason(?)
  > >>
  > >> (but don't take my word for it, see for yourself here:
  > >> http://www.anirrationaldomain.net/articles/1987-1991/87index.html )
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> Ha ha,I am just noticing now how beautiful it is, the irony of it all
  > >> that after OTG, KJ turned around and recorded EDVRE in no time at all
  > >> and
  > >> for almost next-to-nothing cost and it turned out ot be one of their
  > >> best
  > >> and most definitive albums ever.
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> Anyone know offhand how long EDVRE did take to record, was it a week, or
  > >> just under 2 weeks or... ?
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> ... ... ... ... ... ...
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> [looking at the current state of things..]
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> 'Save me...
  > >>
  > >> save me from Tomorrow..
  > >>
  > >> I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> _____
  > >>
  > >> From: "jpwhkj at aol.com" <jpwhkj at aol.com>
  > >> To: gathering at misera.net
  > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 5:27:52 PM
  > >> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>
  > >> Yeah, I've wondered that as well. I tend to think that it was an
  > >> after-the-fact attempt at distancing themselves from a turd. But
  > >> occasionally I wonder if it really was a Jaz solo album - perhaps
  > >> especially
  > >> in terms of composition - and the Pauls just got roped in to playing
  > >> 'cos
  > >> they happened to be available.
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> -----Original Message-----
  > >> From: MichaelHead at HBOSplc.com
  > >> To: gathering at misera.net
  > >> Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:26
  > >> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>
  > >> I've always been puzzled by the assertion that OTG was not meant to be a
  > >> KJ album. How come the 2 Paul's play on the demo versions of the tracks
  > >> then?
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> -----Original Message-----
  > >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > >> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?> ]
  > >> On Behalf Of Brendan
  > >> Sent: 09 June 2009 13:11
  > >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  > >> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>
  > >> I was the first to say, KJ sans Jaz, no way. I'll be the first to agree,
  > >> OTG IS shit. They have all but acknowledged that, and bearing in mind
  > >> the fact that it was never intended by the band to be a fully fledged KJ
  > >> album, I ignore it and don't let it stain their rep at all.
  > >>
  > >> Ade you going to download festival? Just saw the line up...sheesh. Some
  > >> great stuff there. FNM would be up your alley innit? You can go and
  > >> check out Chris Cornell's saggy tits too.
  > >>
  > >>> Here's another one - OTG is shit. Let's see who has a fucking cry over
  > >>
  > >>> that one!
  > >>>
  > >>> -----Original Message-----
  > >>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > >>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
  > >> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On?>
  > >>> Behalf Of Darren A. Peace
  > >>> Sent: 09 June 2009 12:44
  > >>> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
  > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Time for your meds?
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Clearly you should burn all your Banshees records as a penance (but
  > >>> don't microwave the CDs; I can attest that the bits of airborn carbon
  > >>> take an awful lot of cleaning).
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Darren
  > >>>
  > >>> Hungerford, UK
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > >>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > >> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?> ]
  > >>> On Behalf Of ade
  > >>> Sent: 09 June 2009 12:32 PM
  > >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Wow. It now appears that I've been 'singling' Siouxsie out. If you go
  > >>> back through the thread you'll find that I was very disappointed with
  > >>> the fact she can't sing in tune on the 7 Year Itch dvd, that's all.
  > >>> Just because I find that dvd SO disappointing (disappointing because
  > >>> it could have been so much better). The vocal fucks the whole thing
  > >>> up. The performance was mind-numbingly fannytastic - I know, I was
  > >> there.
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> It doesn't mean that every other item I have in my Banshees collection
  > >>
  > >>> (99% of everything) is now rendered SHIT. It doesn't mean I have it in
  > >>
  > >>> for Siouxsie either. FOR FUCK SAKE.
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> How DARE I fucking criticise.
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> -----Original Message-----
  > >>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > >>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
  > >> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On?>
  > >>> Behalf Of Bette Dillinger
  > >>> Sent: 09 June 2009 01:49
  > >>> To: gathering at misera.net
  > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>>
  > >>> I just watched some video from "The Seven Year Itch" tour on youtube.
  > >>> "Voodoo Dolly" done in a primitive way was pretty captivating. Sure,
  > >>> she sounded primitive as well, but looking at recent footage of say,
  > >>> Johnny Rotten makes me wonder why she is being singled out. She still
  > >>
  > >>> has a voice, and though out of tune, she embraces that. I also
  > >>> figured that was part of the point, and she has entralled me for years
  > >> due to her "fuck it"
  > >>> attitude. Her voice is spellbinding (har) despite this. John Lydon
  > >>> can barely get the words out to "Bodies" (I watched his 2007
  > >>> version).....and was playing the Hard Rock Casino in LV. I still
  > >>> consider her a force to be reckoned with, I guess is what I am trying
  > >>> to say. Her voice is even more subversive than when she started.
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> _____
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:08:32 +0100
  > >>> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
  > >>> To: gathering at misera.net
  > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>>
  > >>> She's lovely :)
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Oh, well I'm glad to hear she's regaining her voice. She was nowhere
  > >>> near as bad as that 7 yeat itch
  > >>>
  > >>> stuff when I saw some of the 90's Creatures gigs.
  > >>>
  > >>> -----Original Message-----
  > >>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > >>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
  > >> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On?>
  > >>> Behalf Of Steve Hackett
  > >>> Sent: 07 June 2009 17:03
  > >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>>
  > >>> Its much better than the 7 yr itch, certainly, but at times she does
  > >>> sound like a wounded buffalo when she tries to force some of the
  > >>> notes..looks great though. I couldn't get away with a Pam Hogg catsuit
  > >>
  > >>> like she does and I'm NOWHERE NEAR 50...
  > >>>
  > >>> ----- Original Message -----
  > >>>
  > >>> From: ade <mailto:ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
  > >> <mailto:ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk?> >
  > >>>
  > >>> To: A list <mailto:gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net?>
  > >>> >
  > >> about all things Killing
  > >>> Joke (the band!)
  > >>>
  > >>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:04 PM
  > >>>
  > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Does she sing in tune on the live Mantaray stuff? I have that 7 year
  > >>> itch dvd & it's un-fucking-listenable. Utterly, utterly disappointing.
  > >>
  > >>> Luckily I couldn't tell she was ridiculously out of tune when I saw
  > >>> them on that tour in Sheffield. 'twas an awesome gig...
  > >>>
  > >>> -----Original Message-----
  > >>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > >>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
  > >> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On?>
  > >>> Behalf Of Steve Hackett
  > >>> Sent: 06 June 2009 11:02
  > >>> To: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke
  > >>> (the
  > >>> band!)
  > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>>
  > >>> got mine this week too - I think its pretty decent value on Amazon
  > >>> already. Particularly enjoyed the DVD - comparing the early footage to
  > >>
  > >>> the latest Mantaray DVD I can safely say Siouxsie has aged a lot
  > >>> better over the last 30 years than me...
  > >>>
  > >>> ----- Original Message -----
  > >>>
  > >>> From: Darren A. <mailto:dpeace at bigfoot.com
  > >>> <mailto:dpeace at bigfoot.com?>
  > >>> >
  > >> Peace
  > >>>
  > >>> To: 'A <mailto:gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net?> >
  > >>> list
  > >> about all things Killing
  > >>> Joke (the band!)'
  > >>>
  > >>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:51 PM
  > >>>
  > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> It's a fantastic package.
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> It renders "Voices On The Air" obsolete, however, as it includes all
  > >>> the Peel sessions. The quality is excellent, and the entire thing is
  > >>> only marred by the usual pretentious wankery of Paul Morley's "essay"
  > >>> (sic) in the booklet. The DVD is great too; I can now retire my
  > >>> DVD-from-TV of the Rock Goes To College.
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Recommended, particularly when it comes down in price a bit.
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> Darren
  > >>>
  > >>> Hungerford, UK
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > >>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > >> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?> ]
  > >>> On Behalf Of Blazingstar418
  > >>> Sent: 22 April 2009 8:44 AM
  > >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> This'll be a good one!
  > >>>
  > >>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/At-BBC-Siouxsie-Banshees/dp/B001UJGK7C/ref=dp_
  > >>> return_1?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music
  > >>>
  > >>> A L P
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the palms,
  > >>> the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the impenetrable
  > >>> canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars, formed
  > >>> a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the ceremony."
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>>
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