[kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz'sfavesis on here)

[Karen Weil]

Brendan: You make some good points about China's economy, especially given the lack of any safety net. Perhaps that also included the appallingly low wages paid there. That's one primary reason China is so much more competitive. Another factor is the lack of any regulation like there is in the U.S. or other economically advanced nations.
But you are right: For now, this is definitely the Asian Century. It will be very interesting -- and I hope not too painful for both humanity and the environment -- to see how it plays out. 

Karen W. 
the States
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brendan Quinn 
  To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 
  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz'sfavesis on here)


  You're right about the Chinese.deal with them is, they are hugely more competitive than the US because they have no or extremely little social welfare. So in hard times, there isn't that overhead of having to cater to people who are out of jobs (apparently the figure in China at the moment is 30 million.). Western economies can't compete. India has the same 'advantage'. Hence we're seeing net wealth flow from west back to east now. The balance of power is changing.

   


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  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
  Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 11:38 a.m.
  To: gathering
  Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's favesis on here)

   

  If you don't think the Chinese are CAPITALISTS I have some fantasic swamp land i'd like to sell you! (I was in Vietnam last year and it was the most capitalist place I've ever been). What I meant in my 1st post was that if all energy is green (solar, wind, etc.) then the environment will start to get cleaned up. And right now the capitalists (including those in Chian, Brazil, Russia) are the ones who produce and control most of the energy in the world (w/the exception of people who live in the woods and have a wood-burning stove, etc), so for now it has to start w/them. 
   


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  Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:10:54 -0700
  From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
  To: gathering at misera.net
  Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves is on here)

  > ...forcing the capitalists (who care nothing about the planet, only about making immediate short-term profits) 

  > to abandon their oil, gas, and coal industries and switch to solar, wind, etc.

   

   

  Yes, but.. Just capitalists??  As opposed to who (that also fits the above description)? 

   

     I used to have 2 dogs as a kid who for a while used to fight like animals and rip each 

  other up and leave the backyard or porch a total utter mess. And it was always the same 

  one who started the fight. So - we (me and 3 sibs) erroneously thought - we'll do anything 

  to stop (just) the "dog provocateur," aka the 1st dog -- and the 2nd dog 1) totally ripped into 

  the 1st dog anyway, and 2) still made a total fucken' mess of the yard, anyway.

   

  So, stopping just the capitalists will further allow and empower, say, the Chinese to continue 

  their "full-spectrum" assault on Mother Earth, or the Brazilian deforrestation of the Amazon, 

  or the future possible underwater mining/drilling/toxic-dumping into the Arctic/polar basin by 

  the Russians, U.S. and/or others... 

   

   

  [begin whipping dance of the dead]

   

   

   

  ... ... ... ... ... ... 


  [looking at the current state of things..]

   

  'Save me...

    save me from Tomorrow..

      I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   

   

   

   


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  From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
  To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:30:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves is on here)

  The main way to affect climate change is not the bullshit we hear in the media about everyone turning off a light, but by forcing the capitalists (who care nothing about the planet, only about making immediate short-term profits) to abandon their oil, gas, and coal industries and switch to solar, wind, etc. And since that it not immediately profitable for them to do this, the only way to get this done is through revolutions!

   


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  From: stephen.l at live.com
  To: gathering at misera.net
  Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:43:06 +0000
  Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves is on here)

  to all those concerned about climate change just try not to contribute to it in whatever way and however small that contibution may be 
   
  > Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:49:21 +0100
  > From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
  > To: gathering at misera.net
  > Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves is on here)
  > 
  > Can't say I'm not concerned about ice-fields full of methane & defrosting permafrost...
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
  > Sent: 30 May 2009 00:44
  > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  > Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves
  > is on here)
  > 
  > 
  > Even if one thinks Al Gore and/or his movie are full of crap, that 
  > doesn't mean climate change is. Al Gore and climate change are obviously 
  > two different things. The idea of climate change isn't false just 
  > because Al Gore's movie might suck. (I wouldn't know, I haven't seen 
  > it.) I hope I am preaching to the converted! :D
  > 
  > -Oliver
  > 
  > 
  > Darren A. Peace wrote:
  > >
  > > Oh, just read Crichton's State Of Fear for an eminently reasonable, 
  > > non paranoid expose of the fallacy that is global warming...
  > >
  > > Actually, it's a pretty perfect example of thrusting your own head so 
  > > far up your arse you can't hear or see a thing.
  > >
  > > Darren
  > >
  > > Hungerford, UK
  > >
  > > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net 
  > > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] *On Behalf Of *sade1
  > > *Sent:* 29 May 2009 8:52 PM
  > > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  > > *Subject:* Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's 
  > > faves is on here)
  > >
  > > OK, I'll bite: why is Al Gore's movie (incovenient truth?) crap?
  > >
  > 
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