[kj] the beast of LA

[sade1]

> ...some of the best parties in LA in some of these 'undesirable' neighborhoods.


Ditto. I've been to several great punk/ska gigs just east of the river in those tiny bars under the bridges. I guess the rent is cheap or the landlords don't care about "permits" 
But I have had (at 3am) to wash and remove spray paint from my dates' cars though, before her parents can find out.  The joy!!

 
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[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   





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From: folk devil <folk.devil at hotmail.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:26:09 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

Stephen, it really isn't in such a bad area. 
You're being a tad paranoid ;)
You might, deservedly, be in a problem, if you're standing around thinking you're unsafe because there's lots of Mexicans around ;)

Besides Berlin, which I said was my own stupidity, in between places of stay, going into a side street, I was a sitting duck. I even know some self defense, but not against 10 people. To be honest, I think half of the kicking was because I was white. There was a time when 'turkish' gangs were quite predominant in certain areas of Berlin. Hasn't been noticeable over my past few visits.

I have literally visited every part of LA, on bus and foot, and I doubt that you're going to go anywhere 'dangerous' during your visit. And to be honest, I have gone to some of the best parties in LA in some of these 'undesirable' neighborhoods. Just because the media says it's a bad place, doesn't mean all the people are.



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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:27:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

thanks saul 
basically if i'm gonna go out at the hands of some street thug or thugs 
that's how it's gonna be 
as  you say shit happens when in wrong place at wrong time 
which goes back to the advice of that travel guide 
basically they are saying great club but dodgy neighbourhood 
up to me whether i wanna run the risk 
i suppose the club would let me hang around for a cab but probably it would be outside and i would be like the goat in jurassic park lol 
thanks for links 
 
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:19:12 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA


Around here, just keep your street wits about you and you'll be fine. 


> spot on jel


That said...
 
   In general, around here when it does happen (rob/assault), there's no "choosing" yourself/-ves as a "victim" (unless one seriously overreacts or cringes to their knees at the sight of some low-life), naaah; ethnicity aside, it happens to just about anyone, cab drivers, lawyers walking to their car, athletes leaving the gym, off-duty policemen (who can and do carry concealed firearms) dining out, sheriffs getting in their car to go to work in the morning... at some point they all get assaulted or shot in L.A. (ever wonder why all the cops buy houses miles and miles outside L.A.? It's like a chef who'll never eat his own food). 

   Around here, any self-respecting robber worth his trade will have a gun (they're so cheap), or a knife.  It's more about where you're at and when you're there: wrong time, wrong place - you're fucked, it's that simple.  So bring whatever street sense you've absorbed on the big-city streets of the U.K., it should be more than enough. 

   (I'll risk being wrong on this, but) I'd just add to a U.K. big-city street sense that, if i guess correctly, over there criminal/victim are more evenly matched due to guns being much rarer, then you may be more used to relying on physical presence, height, bullshitting, posture, poise,etc. getting you through. and good if it does. Over here though, if they're at all set on robbing you, the above won't count for shit. I had that refreshed to me 1st-hand when i was stopped and robbed right before last Christmas by 2 guys around 5'5", 16-19yrs.old,  and about 40lbs. smaller than me (5/11'', 190 lbs.) - but the puny automatic gun serving as a handrest in the one guy's waistband  kinda evened things out in their favor. 

 .. wrong place.. wrong time........

some more links,
Yellow Cab: http://www.layellowcab.com/
Indipendent Cab: http://local.yahoo.com/info-20442723-independent-cab-company-los-angeles

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[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   





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From: Stephen Lawrence <stephen.l at live.com>
To: "gathering at misera.net" <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 2:11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

spot on jel
 
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From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:09:24 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

 
With respect, it's always easy to say what you might do in any given situation, but when it comes to it, hell , thats a different thing. Truthfully, if you are outnumbered or in an area anywhere in the world where guns in particular are used, compliance is recommended. However, living in London, i find eye contact, confidence and a certain amount of arrogance, will see you through. I do believe that generally 'victims' choose themselves, by their fear, shitheads can smell it, it is the smell of themselves, Hyenas, fear driven. Pack mentality. God this world is sad!
 
 Jel
 
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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:58:38 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

hmm sorry folk but that doesn't sound like good advice 
never turn your back on a friend and especially not an enemyor group of potential ones 
i would continue forward and cross the street at the next avaiable opportunity 
failing that i would stop and stand with my back to a wall and allow them to pass 
if they wish to accost me , well oobviously i am gonna politely negotiate my way past 
if they are gonna mug me , i guess it is best to hand over whatever you are carrying as life  is more precious than possessions  
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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:51:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

I guess, with regard to everything but the Berlin incident (which was down to my own stupidity)! lol!
Advice; if, when walking into a side street, you see a group of ten or so highly conspicuous individuals, turn around.
 
 
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From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:43:03 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA


 Yes, I have had a gun pulled on me here, but I have also been mugged in Berlin, a city with one of the lowest crime rates in Europe. I experienced guns in the UK and Netherlands too. 
 
 Is your nickname 'Lucky'?
 
 Jel
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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:39:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] the beast of LA

Stephen, what you are going to find is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world. 
There is a lot for you to see and do here, take your pick..clubs, beaches, mountains, plastic people, religious pilgrimages?..it can be disappointing musically, a bit of a backwater.
Just like any other city, you are going to know whether being in a certain place is a good or bad idea, just keep your radar on. Yes, I have had a gun pulled on me here, but I have also been mugged in Berlin, a city with one of the lowest crime rates in Europe. I experienced guns in the UK and Netherlands too. I would rather walk in downtown LA than many parts of (North) East London ;)
Enjoy :) 
 
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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:24:33 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

hmm it's the relatively word that raises questions 
possibly more dangerous to a tourist than a local hmmm?
 
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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:53:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

hahaha..no mate, it's safe ;)
relatively :)

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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:33:10 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

classed as dangerous 
maybe a gang thing 
you tell me if you know different thanks 
 
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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:54:35 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

what's bad about the Wilshire district? :/
 
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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:59:13 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

thanks for tip 
a mule trek was considered but i don't know how i would manage my luggage so i'm taking a raincheck and sticking with the comfortable option 
even considered a helicopter flight 
have to decide when i get nearer to it 
L A looks daunting just by the shear size of it 
learnt to avoid wilshire district 
pity sounds like a great club there 
 
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From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:48:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

Don't go to the GC from late November/early December..unless you are really a hardcore hiker. Much of it will possibly be closed to the public , too.
 
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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:44:26 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

i wanna pair for when i trek the grand canyon 
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:35:07 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected



> ...I'd not recommend you to circumnavigate Sicily....unless 

> your.... James Bond, and..armed to the teeth.  


I would cross Sicilia on foot but only on these, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkfXvMHIXJg



 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   





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From: "countessghoulita at aol.com" <countessghoulita at aol.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:57:48 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected


I'd not recommend you to circumnavigate Sicily by pedalo, Darren. Unless your pedalo is provided by James Bond, and you are armed to the teeth.




-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
To: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected


Alligator wrestling in Florida?  Will you be charging admission? ; ) 
 
Cheers,
 
KW 
the States
----- Original Message ----- 

>From: Darren A. Peace 

>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 

>Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:31 AM

>Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

>

>

>Fuck me, Stephen. You’re a cheery fellow today.

> 

>But I agree with you. Life’s too precious to waste. Tomorrow, for example, I shall be scaling the Polish Line of K2, followed by all igator wrestling in Florida. Friday I’m unicycling to the Meteora monastery, and then circumnavigating Sicily by pedalo.

> 

>Saturday and Sunday I think I’ll have a bit of a rest, as next week is quite busy.

> 

>Darren

>Hungerford, UK

> 

>From:gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera .net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

>Sent: 15 July 2009 4:10 PM

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] mark of the beast closer than expected

>

>well life has no guarantees 

>you or i could be knocked down by a vehicle crossing the road 

>or drunken idiot mounting the pavement 

>car crah whilst in friend's car 

>electrical accident at home 

>fire caused by neighbour 

>or left a parplegic by any one of those scenarios 

>or as you say struck down by some disease 

>all you can do is try your best and enjoy life every second you have and be grateful for another day  

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