[kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
Paul Wady
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Sun Jul 12 05:48:23 EDT 2009
Never forget Countess. Never forget. XXXXXXXX
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:07:55 -0400
From: countessghoulita at aol.com
Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
I have a very intense family history to forget horrors of wars. Maybe one day we'll meet, and talk in person...
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From: jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
What I was trying to point out was that people have always
complained about people 'not caring this days'.
It's nothing new - just the way of things.
History always gets forgotten. Even ours will, with such
good media coverage. It's not worth getting sad about.
Jo, my grandfather fought both
WWs as well (WW2 ad a partisan).
I concur, but history is being forgotten
at a very fast rate. Mussolini is being re-evaluated by many. This is sad.
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From: jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
lol I can remember that being one of my late Grandad's
(fought in both WWs) slogan: 'You young 'uns, you just don't care
anymore'.
I think most people do care but time marches on and as
events begin to move out of living memory, you can't expect them to be on
the forefront of everyone's minds. Particularly when there's new scraps and
current life to think about.
Unless they have part of
their family deported to and killed in a concentration camp or were in
misery during WW2...but people don't care anymore, they don't care even
about what might have happened two days before. Sad. My family can't forget.
And I can't, nor ever will.
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From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno -
Autism
So I should sympathize with people who don't know Nazi jokes
aren't funny? Sorry, but nobody is that stupid. Every Bernard Manning
knows precisely why his jokes aren't funny and why most people choose
not to tell them. They simply decide they don't care and tell
them anyway. So it's their choice and they must take the consequences.
They're no more handicapped than I am, and like me, they're
responsible for their actions.
Jim.
--- On Sat, 11/7/09, jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
wrote:
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jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
Subject:
Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
To: "A list about all things
Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date:
Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 4:04 PM
Then you in turn, are taking the
mick out of someone who is socially crippled.
Sorry if this is irrelevant, I haven't followed the
entire thread, so apologies in advance.
Humour involving real problems or disabilities is not
necessarily the same thing as humour at the expense of real
problems or disabilities. I mean, look at The Office- if
David Brent says something howlingly inappropriate about
women/blacks/homosexuals etc etc, is it funny because he's
managed to work them into a joke, or because he's such a
colossal wanker that he doesn't see why he shouldn't say
that? It's the latter. It's not funny because of the subject
matter. The Office takes the piss out of people who tell
jokes about people with disabilities, thinking they're
actually funny. We know they're not, so we can laugh at the
idiots who think they are.
My stepfather used to come home and tell me all
the latest jokes he'd heard about the Holocaust or
women or foreigners. I don't think he ever understood (well,
maybe at the end) that I wasn't laughing at his jokes, I was
laughing at the sad git who thought they were funny. I have
plenty of reasons to dislike jokes about autism, but I'm all
in favour of making the people who tell them look like
idiots.
Jim.
--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>
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Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
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Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 3:42 PM
EH! WHAT? Who woke me up? Oh, the A word
got used. Ah...
Still ain't seen any connection between Mr. B.C, his
Gay friend and Autism. Excepting his first cousin -
a fine fellow, and a keen bass guitarist too.
I think being able to make fun of yourself is a good
sign. I've spent mucho time getting laughed at for
the wrong reasons - was trying not to be disabled.
Hence my 'outness'. Sometimes, you gotta fall
flat on that face. Just natural. Then the
world will laugh at you.
More serious we want to get taken the harder they
judge you? Mind you, I spend my life trying to help
people since I was a small child, not knocking anyone's
disabilities. Bit odd that, but I kinda always knew
I wasn't some sort of superman.
Jo - Take the piss out of a counselling session?
I call my sessions 'conversations on the Gatherers
list'.
Oh God....
I feel fat too. Oh Dear God...
From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
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Date:
Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:22 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] (Very
OT) Bruno - Autism
I think you are.
In a way 'suffering' from something sort
of makes you bit more entitled to laugh about
it. I'd rather take the piss out of something than
go for a councelling session. Much less gloomy and
more positive IMO.
Can I test the waters? I put on some weight a
while back when I couldn't go to the gym for a couple
years...perhaps 30 pounds or so. I noticed one day as I
was sitting down, leaning slightly to one side, I felt a
*plop* as a little roll of fat was birthed into
existence around my floating ribs...as a tall skinny
type and gym freak for most of my life it was one of the
most disgusting, yet funny, experiences I've ever had.
Relating it to other people has been quite funny...does
that make me bad for making fun of fat people? Can I no
longer do it after losing the
weight...?
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Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
Not on my
watch if physical and mental disabilities are made fun
of. My apologies.
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Bruno - Autism
Not that I've seen any of the said
films (saw Ali G on Richard and Judy once) but I'm
with you on that.
If you're brave or daft enough to
crack a joke in the wrong place at the wrong time you'll
suffer; but you have the right to do it.
I
can't stand the idea of certain topics being taboo,
where humour is concerned. Fuck that. Either it's all
okay or none of it is okay.
Leigh
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