[kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

Paul Wady paulwady at hotmail.com
Sun Jul 12 05:42:14 EDT 2009



Ever visited the War Museum in Rome that Mussollini built? Jesus, it's monolithic. A huge white rectangular slab rising out of the city. Inside it's just war porn. That's the past for you. A monstrous fascist block of murder.
There are an awful lot of people not around now who could have been, due to those people. More in the past.



To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:17:26 -0400
From: countessghoulita at aol.com
Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism


Jo, my grandfather fought both WWs as well (WW2 ad a partisan).

I concur, but history is being forgotten at a very fast rate. Mussolini is being re-evaluated by many. This is sad.










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lol I can remember that being one of my late Grandad's (fought
in both WWs) slogan: 'You young 'uns, you just don't care anymore'.


I think most people do care but time marches on and as
events begin to move out of living memory, you can't expect them to be on
the forefront of everyone's minds. Particularly when there's new scraps and
current life to think about.














Unless they have part of their
family deported to and killed in a concentration camp or were in misery during
WW2...but people don't care anymore, they don't care even about what might
have happened two days before. Sad. My family can't forget. And I can't, nor
ever will.














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So I should sympathize with people who don't know Nazi jokes aren't
funny? Sorry, but nobody is that stupid. Every Bernard Manning knows
precisely why his jokes aren't funny and why most people choose not to
tell them. They simply decide they don't care and tell them anyway.
So it's their choice and they must take the consequences. They're no
more handicapped than I am, and like me, they're responsible for their
actions.





Jim.



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From:
jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>

Subject:
Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

To: "A list about all things
Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

Date:
Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 4:04 PM







Then you in turn, are taking the
mick out of someone who is socially crippled.













Sorry if this is irrelevant, I haven't followed the
entire thread, so apologies in advance.




Humour involving real problems or disabilities is not
necessarily the same thing as humour at the expense of real
problems or disabilities. I mean, look at The Office- if David
Brent says something howlingly inappropriate about
women/blacks/homosexuals etc etc, is it funny because he's
managed to work them into a joke, or because he's such a
colossal wanker that he doesn't see why he shouldn't say that?
It's the latter. It's not funny because of the subject matter.
The Office takes the piss out of people who tell jokes about
people with disabilities, thinking they're actually funny. We
know they're not, so we can laugh at the idiots who think they
are.





My stepfather used to come home and tell me all the
latest jokes he'd heard about the Holocaust or women
or foreigners. I don't think he ever understood (well, maybe
at the end) that I wasn't laughing at his jokes, I was
laughing at the sad git who thought they were funny. I have
plenty of reasons to dislike jokes about autism, but I'm all
in favour of making the people who tell them look like
idiots.





Jim.




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From:
Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>

Subject:
Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

To: "Gatherers Killing
Joke Gatherers" <gathering at misera.net>

Date:
Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 3:42 PM







EH! WHAT? Who woke me up? Oh, the A word
got used. Ah...






Still ain't seen any connection between Mr. B.C, his
Gay friend and Autism. Excepting his first cousin - a
fine fellow, and a keen bass guitarist too.







I think being able to make fun of yourself is a good
sign. I've spent mucho time getting laughed at for the
wrong reasons - was trying not to be disabled. Hence
my 'outness'. Sometimes, you gotta fall flat on that
face. Just natural. Then the world will laugh at
you.







More serious we want to get taken the harder they judge
you? Mind you, I spend my life trying to help people
since I was a small child, not knocking anyone's
disabilities. Bit odd that, but I kinda always knew I
wasn't some sort of superman.







Jo - Take the piss out of a counselling session?
I call my sessions 'conversations on the Gatherers
list'.






Oh God....







I feel fat too. Oh Dear God...



From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

To:
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Date:
Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:22 +0100

Subject: Re: [kj] (Very
OT) Bruno - Autism





I think you are.


In a way 'suffering' from something sort
of makes you bit more entitled to laugh about it.
I'd rather take the piss out of something than go for a
councelling session. Much less gloomy and more
positive IMO.









Can I test the waters? I put on some weight a
while back when I couldn't go to the gym for a couple
years...perhaps 30 pounds or so. I noticed one day as I
was sitting down, leaning slightly to one side, I felt a
*plop* as a little roll of fat was birthed into existence
around my floating ribs...as a tall skinny type and gym
freak for most of my life it was one of the most
disgusting, yet funny, experiences I've ever had. Relating
it to other people has been quite funny...does that make
me bad for making fun of fat people? Can I no longer do it
after losing the weight...?






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Not on my
watch if physical and mental disabilities are made fun of.
My apologies.












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Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT)
Bruno - Autism









Not that I've seen any of the said
films (saw Ali G on Richard and Judy once) but I'm
with you on that.


If you're brave or daft enough to crack
a joke in the wrong place at the wrong time you'll suffer;
but you have the right to do it.





I
can't stand the idea of certain topics being taboo,
where humour is concerned. Fuck that. Either it's all
okay or none of it is okay.



Leigh










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