[kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

[Paul Wady]

World War two was one in which, as my Dad said, we fought a 'true evil'.
The Nazis conducted a 'rehearsal' for the Holocaust.  It is now known as T4, and involved the murder of around 190,000 mentally disabled children and adults, mainly young ones.  
People will always try and forget.  I think KJ represents the world this all happened in and we know it.  Full on brutal and direct.  I think Jo is quite right.  But they try and move on because they cannot really handle it all the time.  These things are huge, horrible and shouldn't have happened.
I grew up in a 2/3ds Jewish school.  I kinda imbibed it.  Mate of mine with Aspergers is a 6'5" sikh Nazi Hunter.  Goes all over the world looking for the buggers, protests etc.  The cockney charmer loves it. He once visited Hitlers favourite restaurant in Austria.  Said he got some looks!


 
 


From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:34:55 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism








lol I can remember that being one of my late Grandad's (fought 
in both WWs) slogan: 'You young 'uns, you just don't care anymore'.
I think most people do care but time marches on and as 
events begin to move out of living memory, you can't expect them to be on 
the forefront of everyone's minds. Particularly when there's new scraps and 
current life to think about.
 
 

  

  Unless they have part of their 
  family deported to and killed in a concentration camp or were in misery during 
  WW2...but people don't care anymore, they don't care even about what might 
  have happened two days before. Sad. My family can't forget. And I can't, nor 
  ever will.


  

  
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        So I should sympathize with people who don't know Nazi jokes aren't 
        funny? Sorry, but nobody is that stupid. Every Bernard Manning knows 
        precisely why his jokes aren't funny and why most people choose not to 
        tell them. They simply decide they don't care and tell them anyway. 
        So it's their choice and they must take the consequences. They're no 
        more handicapped than I am, and like me, they're responsible for their 
        actions.
         
        Jim.

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk> 
        wrote:

        
From: 
          jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
Subject: 
          Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
To: "A list about all things 
          Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: 
          Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 4:04 PM


          
          Then you  in turn, are taking the  
          mick out of someone who is socially crippled.
           
          
             
            
              
              
                
                  Sorry if this is irrelevant, I haven't followed the 
                  entire thread, so apologies in advance.

                  Humour involving real problems or disabilities is not 
                  necessarily the same thing as humour at the expense of real 
                  problems or disabilities. I mean, look at The Office- if David 
                  Brent says something howlingly inappropriate about 
                  women/blacks/homosexuals etc etc, is it funny because he's 
                  managed to work them into a joke, or because he's such a 
                  colossal wanker that he doesn't see why he shouldn't say that? 
                  It's the latter. It's not funny because of the subject matter. 
                  The Office takes the piss out of people who tell jokes about 
                  people with disabilities, thinking they're actually funny. We 
                  know they're not, so we can laugh at the idiots who think they 
                  are.
                   
                  My stepfather used to come home and tell me all the 
                  latest jokes he'd heard about the Holocaust or women 
                  or foreigners. I don't think he ever understood (well, maybe 
                  at the end) that I wasn't laughing at his jokes, I was 
                  laughing at the sad git who thought they were funny. I have 
                  plenty of reasons to dislike jokes about autism, but I'm all 
                  in favour of making the people who tell them look like 
                  idiots.
                   
                  Jim.
                  
--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com> 
                  wrote:

                  
From: 
                    Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>
Subject: 
                    Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
To: "Gatherers Killing 
                    Joke Gatherers" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: 
                    Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 3:42 PM


                    
                    
                    EH!  WHAT?  Who woke me up?  Oh, the A word 
                    got used.  Ah... 
                    

                    Still ain't seen any connection between Mr. B.C, his 
                    Gay friend and Autism.  Excepting his first cousin - a 
                    fine fellow, and a keen bass guitarist too.  
                    

                    I think being able to make fun of yourself is a good 
                    sign.  I've spent mucho time getting laughed at for the 
                    wrong reasons - was trying not to be disabled.  Hence 
                    my 'outness'.  Sometimes, you gotta fall flat on that 
                    face.  Just natural.  Then the world will laugh at 
                    you.
                    

                    More serious we want to get taken the harder they judge 
                    you?  Mind you, I spend my life trying to help people 
                    since I was a small child, not knocking anyone's 
                    disabilities.  Bit odd that, but I kinda always knew I 
                    wasn't some sort of superman.
                    

                    Jo - Take the piss out of a counselling session? 
                     I call my sessions 'conversations on the Gatherers 
                    list'.


                    Oh God....
                    

                    I feel fat too.  Oh Dear God...

                    
                    From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
To: 
                    gathering at misera.net
Date: 
                    Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:22 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] (Very 
                    OT) Bruno - Autism


                    I think you are.  
                    In a way 'suffering' from something sort 
                    of makes you bit more entitled to laugh about it.  
                    I'd rather take the piss out of something than go for a 
                    councelling session.  Much less gloomy and more 
                    positive IMO.
                     
                     
                    
                      Can I test the waters? I put on some weight a 
                      while back when I couldn't go to the gym for a couple 
                      years...perhaps 30 pounds or so. I noticed one day as I 
                      was sitting down, leaning slightly to one side, I felt a 
                      *plop* as a little roll of fat was birthed into existence 
                      around my floating ribs...as a tall skinny type and gym 
                      freak for most of my life it was one of the most 
                      disgusting, yet funny, experiences I've ever had. Relating 
                      it to other people has been quite funny...does that make 
                      me bad for making fun of fat people? Can I no longer do it 
                      after losing the weight...?

                      
                      
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                      On Behalf Of countessghoulita at aol.com
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                      Saturday, 11 July 2009 10:50 AM
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                      Not on my 
                      watch if physical and mental disabilities are made fun of. 
                      My apologies.

                      

                      
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                      Bruno - Autism


                      
                      

                      Not that I've seen any of the said 
                      films (saw Ali G on Richard and Judy once) but I'm 
                      with you on that.
                      If you're brave or daft enough to crack 
                      a joke in the wrong place at the wrong time you'll suffer; 
                      but you have the right to do it.
                      
                        
I 
                        can't stand the idea of certain topics being taboo, 
                        where humour is concerned. Fuck that. Either it's all 
                        okay or none of it is okay. 

Leigh


                        
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